Pianist/composer Yelena Eckemoff
goes her own way. Since the 2010 release of Cold Sun
on her own L&H Production label, she has produced a series of jazz recordings, all presenting original music, with an impressive array of renowned contemporary musicians. Our conversation mainly dealt with her recording career: making connections with other musicians, composing, and working in the studio as performer and producer. All About Jazz
: When All About Jazz ran a Take Five article
on you back in 2010, your current album was Flying Steps
. You have made several since then. And one of the things I wanted to ask you about: on the current record and a couple others, you have the great Norwegian bassist Arild Andersen
playing with you. I was wondering how that connection was made. Yelena Eckemoff
: To answer this question I probably need to tell a bit of my back story.
When we came to live in America, MIDI technology was blooming, and I could not pass up the opportunity to give it a try and assembled myself a cool set-up with a Kurzweil K-2000, PC-88, etc. For over ten years I experimented with sequencing and working solo. I even started to release CDs both in acoustic piano and in electronic music. Then I felt that I truly missed the interaction with other musicians. So I enlisted a drummer, cellist, and flutist here in North Carolina, and we recorded Call
in 2006. Then we got a bassist and a reed player, and I continued rehearsing and playing gigs with this ensemble. But yet something was missing. I had good and dedicated musicians, but they did not specifically come from the world of jazz, and I felt I needed help to go in that direction. Around the same time I also started to listen to CDs released by the ECM label. Strangely, I never heard about ECM before. I saw that the ECM approach was much closer than any other music I've ever heard to what I myself was doing throughout my entire life. I remember, I could truly relate to Bobo Stenson
, Arild Andersen, Tomasz Stanko
, John Abercrombie
, Annette Peacock
, and John Taylor
So I bravely approached Arild Andersen via email, offering him to work togetherI think it was in 2008. He kindly asked me to send him some music. I did. He listened and said it was nice, but too complicated (laughs). He said he was too busy recording and touring, thus he declined at that point. But interestingly we stayed in touch. So an idea of us working together did not die out.
In the following couple of years I worked with some great musicians: bassists Mads Vinding
, Darek Oleszkiewicz
, and Mats Eilertsen
, and drummers Peter Erskine
, Morten Lund
, and Marilyn Mazur
. I released three trio CDs in 2010 (my personal record!) and one in 2012. I felt I was evolving rapidlyas I still amand I was getting deeper and deeper into jazz as a genre. Some of material I had composed at that time was right in the same vein Arild was working in. So I offered him that material. He liked it so we recorded Glass Song
in 2012 in L.A., with Peter Erskine. AAJ
: Looking over your discography, you've done a lot of trio recordings, but there have been a couple with a slightly larger group, including the current one, Everblue
. How different is the approach when you've got additional horns or other instruments beyond the trio? YE
: I had from four to six people in my local band. But when I started to work with world-class jazz musicians I intentionally limited myself to trio. I felt it was a simpler andhonestlysafer approach for me at that time, since I was still growing into jazz. I was very much intrigued with the expressive possibilities of the trio, because of the transparency and intimacy of the setting. Trio was a learning ground for me to experience the interplay and conversation between the instruments, rather than playing a leader with a support section. I learned to write musical arrangements in such a manner that each instrument would be an equal part of a bigger whole without dominating over others.
For a while I felt the trio was a sufficient format for me. Then, after recording five trio CDs, I felt I was ready for a bigger sound. Later the same year after Glass Song
I recorded a quartet with flugelhorn in Denmark. Then in 2013, a few months after recording another trio with Arild (the double album Lions
), I recorded a quintet with vibraphone and trumpet in Finland; but these two albums (along with another trio with Mads Vinding) have not been released yet.
So, summarizing an answer to your question, I should say that my approach to the bigger group of instruments is the same as to a trio. I care the same that all the instruments would have an equal chance to come through with an interesting story to tell.
Officially my first released quintet is A Touch of Radiance
(2014) and first released quartet is Everblue
(2015). And I continue to work in quartet settings. I have just recorded another quartet in September of this year and I am recording yet another quartet in December. I guess no more trios on the horizon (laughs). AAJ
: It's often hard to hear the line between composition and improvisation in your music, and I was wondering to what extent there is
a lot of composition. Are we talking about lead sheets that are a page long, or are these great big long scores with room for improvisation in different parts? YE
: Scoresyes, for myself, but for each musician it still comes to a lead sheet. I don't write much for bass, because I think bass has to have freedom to play on chord changes. So my bass parts are mostly open lead sheets, unless it's a melody (like in the beginning of "Abyss," for example,) or counter melody, or some kind of polyphonic interaction or groove I want to make sure of. The same goes with the other instruments. But of course some of my pieces are very compositional and have to be written out almost entirely. Those may have several tunes, development, transitions, and things like that, and the improvisations (both free and structured) have to happen at designated spots. But I also write tunes in traditional jazz forms, like intro-tune-choruses-tune repeat and ending. I have to have those simpler forms on the recording session along with the more complicated ones if I am serious about recording an entire album in 2-3 days (laughs). AAJ
: How long are your recording sessions normally? Do they take place over a couple of days? YE
: All of my sessions were two days, except the Finnish one, which was three days, but it's going to be a double album. It's amazing we're always able to record all that difficult music in two days. As a producer, I'm trying to think it all through, and in what order to record, and how to make sure that we get it all. It is very important for me to cover all the material, since my albums are conceptual and each song is an essential part of a story. It also helps to have great musicians in your boat (laughs). AAJ
: Is there anything different about the music you bring to the group when it's larger than a trio? Is there more written down when there's more players? YE
: No, not necessarily. But of course, bringing additional voices into the score makes it more challenging. I have to make a thought-through arrangement and a clear and easily read part for each musician. Every instrumental part has on average two-three, sometimes four-five pages. As long as it fits on the music stand (or two) I think it is not too much (laughs). AAJ
: You mentioned having a local band early on. Do you still have any kind of a working group locally? YE
: No, I don't work with local musicians. Actually, Billy Hart
advised me that if I wanted to perform more, I should get a local band that would always be available. But I doubt I would be able to find readily available local musicians of the caliber and direction to match the ones I have been working with in the past seven years. Besides I hardly have any time to handle a local bandwith all the efforts I am putting into with my music and my L & H Production label, plus I also teach piano. AAJ
: Have you managed to do any live performances with any of the folks you've recorded with? YE
: The following week after recording "Lions" with Arild Andersen and Billy Hart, we had an opportunity to bring my music to the Birdland Jazz Club, which was my debut performance in NYC. Next year I performed A Touch of Radiance
at the Jazz Standard with George Mraz
. Unfortunately George was the only one who was on the recording: Mark Turner
, Joe Locke
, and Billy Hart couldn't make it. I had asked Donny McCaslin
to play saxophone and Eric McPherson
, drums, and re-arranged the music from quintet to quartet. It was nice, but I was a little disappointed that I couldn't have the same band at the CD-release performance. This past April I had two performances of Lions
in London with Arild Andersen and Martin France
(a great UK drummer who substituted for Billy Hart.) Firstly we played at Ronnie Scott's, then on the second day at The Spice of Life, and it was really great to have this mini tour in support of the Lions
CD release in the UK.
In general, I have to say that it's not easy for me to arrange performances, because I have never been a touring musician. Even though I have played many classical piano recitals and a number of gigs with my bands, I've never been on the road for too long. A big part of my life was consumed by immigration and integration into my new home country and raising three children. So, as many women before me, I had to put my career on hold for a while.
But I also see myself more as a composer, recording artist, producer, and a label owner than a touring musician. As soon as I finish one album, I am starting on another, and often work on several albums at the same time. I can't imagine where I would find time to compose all the music, record and produce an average 2 albums a year if I had to travel a lot. The other side of the coin is that I'm afraid if I had to tour a lot I wouldn't have enough time or energy to compose. At the same time, if an opportunity arises, I am always happy to show people my live performer's side. By the way, there are some videos of my live performances on YouTube. I still hope I will be able to put my live performing skills to good use in the future. AAJ
: A Touch of Radiance
has American players, while Everblue
has European players. How much does that change your approach in the studio? YE
: I always feel a bit awkward when I record overseas, because I hear so much foreign language I don't understand spoken during recording, and being a producer I'm concerned that I might be missing some input. But otherwise I see no difference between American and European musicians in general. Only as far as people have different personalities and bring different vibes with them, so all recording sessions are different. I think I have enough experience to say that if I provide clear directions and clear charts, the outcome will be more or less the same. Out of all the drummers I worked with, Jon Christensen
did not follow any lead sheets, but we were rehearsing the day before session and he listened and made notes. All of my other drummers used my charts when they were recording; this might be the only difference I recall.