All About Jazz

Home » Articles » Interviews


John Riley: Inspiring Innovation

Ben Scholz By

Sign in to view read count
"We're all drawn to the big moments in music; as one listens to something longer and longer, the significance of what a musician is doing most of the time - between the highlights - starts to sink in. That's where one learns about musical balance." —John Riley
Foremost an innovator, John Riley has always been a "drummer's drummer" in the world of straight-ahead jazz. With nearly a hundred recordings, a dozen videos, and five books under his belt, Riley is a veritable font of knowledge in the bebop realm. In this article, we take a look back at some of his musical endeavors including recording with Miles Davis, working with Quincy Jones, and playing drums with the Vanguard Jazz Orchestra. We'll also examine the changing landscape of music and discuss how younger drummers can find inspiration.

All About Jazz: I've been a fan of yours since I first saw the Live 3 Ways video with John Scofield and I've seen you perform with Bob Mintzer, the Vanguard Band, and at masterclasses nearly a dozen times in both in New York and Chicago. I've used your books extensively throughout my career, and some of the first articles I read in Modern Drummer were yours. In one of these articles, you mentioned the importance of seeking out musical innovators in the development of your career. Will you elaborate on this?

John Riley: We all want to be inspired—and the people that are playing things that seem new or significant to me are the ones that inspire me the most. So, that's what I mean in that case. This is a fluid, evolving endeavor, and I'm always looking at new trends and how they relate to what happened in the past. Just trying to stay inspired and growing through that process.

AAJ: In a lesson a while back, you touched on the concept of wearing different hats. I think this was in the context of my side work as a producer and manager for record labels. In addition to performing as a leader and a sideman you are also a prolific writer and an educator. What moved you to pursue these other vocations and are there other hats you wear that you'd like to share with us?

JR: Well, I started teaching at North Texas my junior year when the school had an overflow of drum students. Currently I'm teaching at Manhattan School of Music and SUNY Purchase in New York and I find the process of teaching to be inspiring in many of the same ways that performing inspires me. I was motivated to publish my books by a drummer named Dan Thress. Dan had been taking lessons from me over the course of a couple of years, and at one point Dan said to me, "I really like these lessons, I don't think there's anything like it on the market, why don't you think about putting a book together?" So he encouraged me to do it and had access to a publisher. That's how the books began.

AAJ: You're well known in the straight-ahead bebop world of drumming. Are there any recordings of you performing avant-garde or fusion styles?

JR: I guess the two most recent recordings I did with trombonist Luis Bonilla are kind of aggressive, people were surprised to hear my playing on them. They're not really fusion or avant-garde, but they're another side of what I do that's different from what people are familiar with. There's a record I made years ago with pianist Kenny Werner called Uncovered Heart that has some back-beat-y stuff, and a couple of the Mintzer records could be considered "fusion." There was a point in 1980 or 81 where Frank Zappa called and asked me to audition for him as well. So, I have an interest in all kinds of music and have cultivated some skills in areas besides jazz. However, these dimensions haven't been exposed as much because the opportunities I've had really haven't called for them.

AAJ: Some people might not know this, but you had a chance to play with Miles Davis. I wanted to ask you what that was like and specifically, what he was looking for in a drummer at that time.

JR: The circumstance of that was kind of unusual. We performed together at Montreux Jazz festival in Switzerland, and Quincy Jones had been the festival's music director for a number of years. He had been begging Miles to do a retrospective, looking at the music of Birth of the Cool and Sketches of Spain as well as the larger ensemble music he did in the late 40's and again in the late 50's.

So, finally Quincy convinced Miles to do this, and I think it was in 1990 or 91. This being in Switzerland, they hired a Swiss pianist named George Gruntz to contract the musicians. I was playing with George at the time, so he asked me to do this event with Miles. Then, Quincy got the idea that it might be difficult to make this new product better than the original one, so he said "How can we make it better than the original one? Well we'll double the size of the band, we'll make it twice as big, that'll make it twice as good."

Which, was kind of a crazy idea. Gil Evans wrote most of the music we were going to perform, and he had had a band in New York before he passed away. That band was brought in to supplement the musicians that were hired in Switzerland, and Kenwood Dennard was the drummer.

Now, we get to Montreux and we had 3-4 days of rehearsal. Right off the bat, I see Grady Tate is there. It turns out that Quincy didn't know me, didn't know Kenwood and brought Grady in to play drums. Grady was really funny—I had worked with Grady—he was also working as a singer. He had hired me to do a bunch of gigs with him in the late 70's early 80's and I'd known him for a long time. He said the funniest thing, he said, "man I'm 59 years old... I'll sell my drums, retire and just be a singer, but I get a call to play with Miles..." and he was really scared that Miles wasn't going to like him. He said, "Man, you should be playing this gig." In fact, he's playing my drums and my cymbals on the thing. So Kenwood and I play percussion, and Grady plays drums.

That's the long and the short of the story. It was a fantastic experience. We rehearsed for a couple of days, but Miles didn't show up for the rehearsals. We were rehearsing in the hotel in Switzerland. We knew he was in the hotel, but he never came to the rehearsals until the conclusion of the rehearsal the night before the concert.

At about 10 o'clock we were wrapping up the rehearsal, and Miles kind of floats into the room in this amazing leather suit and giant sunglasses. There's about 40 musicians there, and film crews, and fans and stuff, and Miles walks straight through the crowd of people, right past Quincy Jones, and walks straight up to Grady Tate, and gives him a big bear hug and says, "Man, Klook (Kenny Clarke) left me and he left you here for me, you swingin' mother fucker" and Grady was really nervous about this whole thing. This giant smile came across his face when Miles gave him this hug. It was almost like Miles had telepathy that the most important guy in the room to him, was uptight, and said to himself, "I'm gonna put him at ease." I was standing next to Grady when this happened and it was really a magical moment.

We rehearsed some more since Miles was there. We rehearsed the next day, and he was in really good spirits, was very playful, and really seemed to be enjoying himself. I think he passed away about 3 or 4 months later. So he must have had some inkling that if he was ever going to do this retrospective, it had to be now.


Related Video

comments powered by Disqus

Related Articles

Read Anat Cohen: Musical Zelig Interviews
Anat Cohen: Musical Zelig
by R.J. DeLuke
Published: June 21, 2018
Read Lucia Cadotsch: Whispers Speak Louder than Screams Interviews
Lucia Cadotsch: Whispers Speak Louder than Screams
by Ludovico Granvassu
Published: June 20, 2018
Read Andreas Varady: Guitar Wizard On The Rise Interviews
Andreas Varady: Guitar Wizard On The Rise
by R.J. DeLuke
Published: June 18, 2018
Read Mandla Mlangeni: Born to Be Interviews
Mandla Mlangeni: Born to Be
by Seton Hawkins
Published: June 11, 2018
Read David Sancious: From Monk to Sting Interviews
David Sancious: From Monk to Sting
by Luca Muchetti
Published: June 8, 2018
Read Bokani Dyer: African Piano Interviews
Bokani Dyer: African Piano
by Seton Hawkins
Published: June 7, 2018
Read "Charles Lloyd: The Winds Of Grace" Interviews Charles Lloyd: The Winds Of Grace
by Ian Patterson
Published: July 14, 2017
Read "Piotr Turkiewicz: Putting Wroclaw On The Jazz Map" Interviews Piotr Turkiewicz: Putting Wroclaw On The Jazz Map
by Ian Patterson
Published: September 18, 2017
Read "Pat Martino: In the Moment" Interviews Pat Martino: In the Moment
by Victor L. Schermer
Published: January 12, 2018
Read "William Parker: Embracing The Unknown" Interviews William Parker: Embracing The Unknown
by Luke Seabright
Published: February 14, 2018