There's more to pianist Jon Cowherd than meets the eye. Best known for his fifteen-year tenure in the Brian Blade
Fellowshipwith whom he has recorded four outstanding albumsCowherd has also played and recorded with singers such as Rosanne Cash, Cassandra Wilson
, Iggy Pop and Joni Mitchell
. Though he's led his own small groups in New York for years he's only now stepping out with his recorded debut as leader.
The music on Mercy
(Self Produced, 2013) was recorded three years ago, but it's fair to say that the period of gestation was even longer. In fact, in 2001 Cowherd took up classical piano studies that lasted eight years to sharpen his technique with an eye to recording his own material. He knew that he'd be ready when the music presented itself. Mercy
is a highly impressive debut, hardly surprising given the company Cowherd keeps on the recording: drummer Brian Blade, double bassist John Patitucci
and guitarist Bill Frisell
bring all their considerable resources to the table and play as if it was there was no tomorrow. All About Jazz:
It's taken a long time for you to step out as a recording leader in your own right; when did you first think this was a direction you wanted to take? Jon Cowherd:
This record was recorded three years ago. Maybe five years ago I gathered a few tunes that the Fellowship didn't play but that I played with my own groups around New York. I started to get the itch to do it and started trying to put together a band of guys I'd love to play with. Of course, I'd been playing with Brian [Blade] for many years and I'd been playing with John Patitucci for a few years too, and I'd always wanted to play with Bill Frisell. It took a while to get times when everybody was available.
I really waited. I started classical piano lessons about ten years ago because I really wanted to get more technique and control of the piano before I did a solo record. As far as making a record as a leader goes I wanted to be a little more prepared as a player. After I'd taken lessons for a few years I felt more confident to really give it a shot. AAJ:
Had the four of you ever played together before the recording? JC:
We never had. Everyone had played with each other in different situations but never as a group. AAJ:
There are obvious advantages in having such jazz heavyweights on your debut album but was there ever a temptation to work with less known and less distinctive musicians, if that makes sense? JC:
It makes sense but it was never the case. I've been blessed to know Brian [Blade] since 1988. Even before we had a band if I had a new composition I'd play it for him and we'd play it together, so he was always the drummer I would call. John [Patitucci] and I got to be really good friends and he was always supportive in trying to encourage me to make a record so he was an obvious choice. And because of his years playing alongside Brian with [saxophonist] Wayne Shorter
I knew it would be a perfect fit. I never really considered anyone else. AAJ:
What was it like working with Frisell in the studio? JC:
It was great. He's so creative and so quick to dial things in. He was intuitive. He knew what I wanted and I think he knew what was best for the music right away. He understood the music. He was so easy to work with. He's a great guy and so humble. A piano and guitar, two chordal instruments can clash sometimes but his ears are so attuned. He's so sensitive as a musician. I felt like we played together really well. AAJ:
From the first notes of "Columns" and throughout the album you and Frisell are in very close unison on the heads and melodic motifs; was this an idea that you had at the composition stage or did it just evolve once you were in the studio? JC:
Pretty much from the composition stage. I love that sound of a piano and guitar in unison and a lot of the things I wrote were for us to play together. AAJ:
There's one odd track, odd in the context of the album as a whole, which is the very Frisellian tune "Seconds"; what was the idea with including this track? JC:
That actually came from sessions that we did with the Fellowship for the record Season of Changes
(Verve Music Group, 2008) and on the day we were loading out I started messing around with it. It was kind of in bad condition so we didn't try to use it but I thought what the heck? Let's see what it sounds like. I started playing and Brian had a digital recorder and he came running in and held it up. The mics had already been taken down in the room. He and Tucker Martin, who was the engineer on that session and a really creative genius in his own right, they took those mellotron recordings and made these little loops. Brian sent me a CD of it and said here's some stuff you might want to use. There were more of them but that one seemed like the best one. AAJ:
Was there a time when you thought about making Mercy
more experimental along the lines of "Seconds"? JC:
Yeah, I was thinking of making it more of a mix, with some experimental electronic things. In the end I decided not to use more of the mellotron stuff. AAJ:
You've played with a quite diverse range of singers, like country singer Rosanne Cash, jazz singer Cassandra Wilson and even rocker Iggy Pop; were you tempted at all to have a singer on Mercy
Not this record. I'd love to make another record with a singer or maybe a line-up of singers. I've been really fortunate to work with some great singers and I would love to do a record of originalsmaybe get together with four or five singers and co-write songs. I'm not a real lyricist but I love songwriting so I need someone to collaborate with to write the words. AAJ:
What singers could you envisage singing to your music? JC:
I have a few in mind but I'd have to speak to them. AAJ:
You were musical director, along with Brian Blade for the Joni Mitchell tribute concert"Joni: A Portrait in Song"in Massey Hall,Toronto, which seemed like an amazing event; can you tell us about that project and that evening in particular? JC:
It was an amazing week. We had done a tribute to her, or rather a tribute to a period of hers where she used a lot of jazz musicians on her records. We had done this in L.A. but she wasn't able to make that as her father was turning 100 the same week. The excitement was that she was going to turn up to the one in Toronto so we expanded it to included music from her earlier records.
She was involved in the rehearsals a little bit. She hung out a bit and she was going to do one poem that she had written. She was going to recite it with some jazz improv. We'd just do some free improv behind her. Well, one of the singers got laryngitis and had to drop out the day before the show. We said, Joni, we have four arrangements of yours that we have no singer for; do you want to try it? She said, yeah, let's try it.
She ended up singing three extra songs each night. That was a dream come true for me. I'd met her before and she'd sung on a Fellowship record [Perceptual
(Blue Note Records, 2000)] and hung out but I'd never played her music with her so that was an amazing time. The audience at the Luminato Festival
was just shocked and so excited when she started singing. They didn't know that was going to happen so it was just a great night. There was electricity in the room; it was just amazing. AA:
There's a short clip on Youtube, which somebody recorded on a camera for a couple of minutes of "Furry Sings the Blues" before being clobbered by the security but it shows that Mitchell at 70 still has it. She sounds great. JC:
Yeah, she does. She was concentrating on painting for a long time and not singing and I think she was putting her toe in the water a little bit those nights. She really enjoyed it and I'm hoping we're going to do it some more. AAJ:
Working so closely with Joni's music that week, did you learn anything new about her music? JC:
I did. Transcribing some of the tunes and writing out the arrangements I got a little more insight into the marriage of her music and lyrics and how thoughtful it is. The tones kind of paint with the words. AAJ:
You've worked with Cassandra Wilson for a couple of years and it's always struck me that there's a little bit of Joni Mitchell in her singing; do you sense that? JC:
Yeah, I do. She has that same ability to really deliver a lyric with emotion. You really get a sense of the song. With Joni, I think she's almost like a jazz singer. Joni has a freedom in her singing that's like jazz. AAJ:
Coming back to your own CD, Mercy
, the three-part "Mercy Suite" is particularly striking, yet there's a great continuity to the music as a whole on the CD, with the exception of "Seconds"; did you think about doing a longer suite? JC:
No, not really. I wasn't even planning to write that suite but I had a piece of music called "Mercy Wind' and I thought it didn't feel complete. It felt like part of something. I started writing some other things and realized how connected they were to "Mercy Wind. That gave me the idea to write a suite.
I like a record to have continuity like that. People have said of Perceptual
that the whole record is suite-like. I wanted the music to sound like it's a story. AAJ:
The melodies on Mercy Wind
are very strong and it's always surprising to think that nobody has ever thought of that melody before; is the creative process a mystery to you or is it 90% hard graft and 10% inspiration? JC:
it's more of a mystery in a way. Some of those things were kind of improvised. The melody at the end of "Mercy Wind" was totally improvised and I wrote the tune around that. I tend to write tunes from the back to the front. I often write things that sound like the end of something or the last section and then I try to write a melody that's related and that would come before.
I know that sounds really odd but that's what happened on the third movement of the suite. It is a mystery in that ideas tend to drop out of the sky sometimes. Then I have to graft to make it make sense. Maybe it's 50-50.