Legendary drummer and composer Eddie Marshall has been kicking hard for more than 50 years. He has played in R&B bands and in different types of jazz combos, in collaboration with musicians including Bobby Hutcherson
, Kenny Burrell
, Dexter Gordon
, Stan Getz
, The Pointer Sisters and Dionne Warwick, among others. Furthermore, he's recorded his own music [Holy Mischief
(Ruddy Duck Records, 1998)], played with younger musicians and taught music classes in different places.
The biography and resume of this versatile drummer helps one to understand the whole evolution of modern jazz. Unlike some other veteran jazzmen, Eddie Marshall has proved to be an open-minded person interested in old folk music from different country traditions. Capable of overcoming serious illness (he required coronary bypass surgery in 1984), Marshall shows effort, gratitude and joy for doing what he most likes. On top of that, Eddie Marshall is a charming, pleasant man who enjoys talking about music and his career, with a great sense of humor.
All About Jazz: First of all, how's the tour going?
Eddie Marshall: Well, actually I had only two jobs here. I came here primarily to visit my stepson and grandson. They live in Vendrell, near Barcelona. Usually when I come here, my wife and my son put me together with some guys and we do gigs. We had one gig in Terrasa, and that was very, very good. I had just met these gentlemen who I was playing with. We wanted to get a quartet together and they e-mailed some videos of them playing. I just liked the way they played and it was really great. If you're there tonight, you'll see.
AAJ: So you're playing with the same guys tonight?
EM: You know, I've been coming to Europe for years. I've been playing music for a long time. I think I started coming here during the early '60s, to different parts of Europemostly Italy, Germany a lot, England, Madridbut I never stayed too much. And then, the musicianship of European musicians is not the thing where they say: "Oh, the American comes here and plays really good music." It's just like playing with people in the States, except that we don't speak the same language. We speak the same music language.
AAJ: In Holy Mischief you have composed most of the themes. It's is not very common to combine rhythmic and melodic instruments, but you have played both drums and recorder. How do you approach new compositions?
EM: Well, my first instrument was the piano because my dad was a pianist. I studied classical piano by the time I was ten till I was about 14, but I didn't like it. I wanted to play R&BRhythm & Bluesyou know, the '50s. My hero was Little Richard, but I'd be practicing Beethoven and Bach... My dad was a pianist. That was not his total job, but he was a professional pianist. He played mostly dance music, he loved jazz and swing music and we always had rehearsals at our home. Like most kids, when the drummer got off the drums, I jumped on the drums until they told me to get off. In those years I learned how to play a bit. I knew how to keep the beat and how to play the brushes 'cause I was just watching them all the time. My dad and mum would take me and my brothers to see Count Basie or Duke Ellington in the cities. They had these big theatres where big bands played. The show would first start off with a movie and in the last part, by ten o'clock, the big band would play. It was beautiful. The theatre curtains would open up real slow and you'd see the big band with all the light and the music. Even before they played a note, you were spellbound. I really liked that.
AAJ: Let's go back to that time. In your website you recall the time you were listening toamong other thingsR&B and jazz by people like Louis Jordan and Earl Bostic.
EM: [Surprised] Yeah, you like that?
AAJ: I like it very much, although it's not very common.
EM: I know! Nobody really knows who Earl Bostic is, but for me and you! [Laughs.]
AAJ: They were both considered to be jazz and R&B, weren't they? How do you remember those days?
EM: Yeah yeah, and that's a style I played. What happened is that I didn't play drums professionally until I was 14. Daddy rehearsed on a Friday and the job was gonna be Saturday night, but the drummer had a telephone call and he had to leave. He was divorced and he didn't pay his alimony. So he left, and my dad was on the phone trying to call everybody, but it was a Friday night and the job was gonna be on Saturday, and everybody was working, so I said: "Dad, I can do this job! Trust me!" He really had to hire me; there was no other way. That's how I started playing drums. Daddy's band was really tuxedo [sings a little tune]. It was like a dance band. But my uncle Cookie had a band called Cookie and the Seven Sharps, and they played R&B. In those days, everything was segregated and there was a white part of town and a black one. I was 14; I think I was still in middle school. I started with that band and I played with them until I graduated well, I didn't graduate. I quit high school and I moved to New York!
AAJ: And when you moved to New York, which drummers influenced you?
EM: I just loved Art Blakey and Max Roach.
AAJ: People always talk about them, but what did they have in their playing that made them so special?
EM: Well, first of all, when I was playing R&B, it was more like Latin music. You played the same beat over and over again, right? I really did love that R&B music, but then my uncle RoddyI still have my uncle Roddygot drafted into the army and he was a big jazzman. He loved jazz music. I didn't really like jazz music that much. I wasn't around it that much because my dad played sort of pop music of the day and I was in Cookie's band. So Roddy gets drafted and he leaves me his albums, and he had Charlie Parker With Strings, Max Roach and Clifford Brown and Miles Davis. When I heard that, I was gone! So there I am playing in an R&B band [plays rhythm with his hands] playing all those rhythms, and then I was suddenly listening to that bebop shit [sings a tune].
Then I got to high school, and there was a saxophonist called Casano. We got together and we got a quartet and started playing jazz music. The only pianist we could get was a guy named Jimmy I. Joe, who played the accordion. He was a real good accordion player, but he didn't know how to play those buttons. And then we had a bassist called David Soha, and he played in polka bands. He didn't know how to play 4/4, and so he'd play every note twice and made it 4/4 [laughs], but we managed to make some songs.
AAJ: So, you've gone through many different styles, like jazz and R&B. What are the differences between playing in groups of different music genres?
EM: Well, the thing is that with modern jazz, bebop or fusion style, you don't have to keep a constant beat with the foot. What you do with jazz music is that you have a conversation between your left hand and your right foot [demonstrates]. Instead of going: [keeps the beat and shows the differences], in jazz you're free and you're not just thinking in a constant beat. Which I still love; that's really good. You know, I also like hip-hop musicI like the rhythm. But that's the basic difference.
Funk and stuff like that is really interesting. I played with Dionne Warwick for two or three years, and it was mostly R&B, and it was really great music. R&B is more like church musicblack church and blues. It's really wonderful music.
AAJ: You've also spoken several times about West Coast and East Coast jazz. Was there a real separation in music and between artists?
EM: Well, in the '50s, there was. The West Coast music was more like Cool Jazz, but I loved that. I grew up on the East Coast. I lived in New York till I moved to California, and I moved to New York from a town called Springfield, Massachusetts when I was 18. New York and Springfield may be like 150 miles apart, so I was always in New York when I was a kid. But I liked West Coast music because it was subtle. New York was on fire, so I really appreciated these guys playing cool. The amazing thing is that most of the musicians that I hung out with in New York, that were really good musicians, were all from someone else.
AAJ: So sometimes the same musicians recorded in New York and Los Angeles?
EM: Yeah, most of the times they would start off in Los Angeles, like Dexter Gordon, Billy Higgins and Charles Mingus. Then they would leave Californiait was rough and racist actuallyand they would move to New York and they wouldn't go back except for gigs. Then, nobody would leave New York to go anywhere!
AAJ: During the '70s, you formed part of the San Francisco scene. You were playing in The Fourth Way, and that was more like fusion, wasn't it?
EM: Yeah, it was fusion. I tell you, when I moved to California I was playing with Dionne Warwick and I just decided to stay for a while. But I was in LA and really I did not like it, so I was gonna go back. The pianist and I started off playing together in New York. He got the job with Dionne, and he got me on it. Then when he quit, I quit also. Do you remember that song "Do you know the way the way to San Jose"? It was this corny song, and she had a hit record for that. I told her, "If I have to play this every night, I'm quitting!" But I didn't think it was going to be a hit. It was so silly, and she sang really good music.
Then I moved to San Francisco and we started this band, The Fourth Way, and it really took off. San Francisco in the '60s was the place to be! You wouldn't believe it, people were just so friendly! New York was a tough place, and these people were like, "Hey dude!" You walked down the streets, and they were just giving you joints and shit. So I said, "I ain't going anywhere!" Our music was really hitting it.
AAJ: Was it really atmospheric?
EM:Well, the atmosphere was good but it was more like rock 'n' roll and jazz together. I was really happy.