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A Fireside Chat with Nicholas Payton

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I think it is of great importance to me to make more of an effort to define my own voice, not only as a trumpeter and a composer, but just try to play jazz that is indicative of the times in which we live and that has more to do with embracing the elements of the music of my youth, as opposed to playing jazz through a concept of thirty, forty, fifty years ago.
The term "young lion" has followed Nicholas Payton for the duration of his budding career. Fueled by urban legends of Wynton's personal involvement, pressure for Payton must now seem par for the course. Judging by Sonic Trance, his new album for Warner Bros., Payton has survived and more importantly, matured from the industry's unforgiving process. This bodes well for the trumpeter, whose purity in tone and dynamic attack testify to his technical facility. Coupled with a sense of swing that warrants Wynton's praise, Payton's roar is worthy of evaluation. More than a handful of recordings later, "young lion" seems hardly fitting any longer. Perhaps now, Payton will be finally be distinguished, not by a phone call from a Marsalis, but rather his potential as an improviser (unedited and in his own words).

All About Jazz: Evaluate your Verve experience.

Nicholas Payton: Well, as far as where I was at that point in my career, I would like to think I am in a constant state of development so what is different about it, in terms of where I was then is I think I was still firmly trying to establish some things in terms of my foundation, address certain aspects of the jazz tradition. I had an all-acoustic band at the time, which was the quintet, which was my main band at the time. What I am doing now is basically an extension of that time. Without that, I couldn't be doing this. I just look at it as a very formative period in my development, as opposed to now, I think it is of great importance to me to make more of an effort to define my own voice, not only as a trumpeter and a composer, but just try to play jazz that is indicative of the times in which we live and that has more to do with embracing the elements of the music of my youth, as opposed to playing jazz through a concept of thirty, forty, fifty years ago.

AAJ: Were any of the sessions on Verve A&R bright ideas?

NP: No, not at all. It was never that. It was never an A&R thing. I don't think my records are traditionalist like I have heard many people say. To me, I have always tried to embrace tradition and still try to play music that is not only heartfelt, that is a sincere expression of where I am at that time, and trying to do something that is personal that reach the people. No, I was always given complete freedom and control in terms of what records I made and choice of tunes. I was given the freedom to play my own compositions and to pretty much do what I wanted to do. There was always suggestions, as there always is, I think, when your business is to work with people. I think that is just part of the business.

AAJ: Do you feel you found an identity on Verve?

NP: Music to me is music. It is just important for me to be at a place where I can exercise my freedom to do whatever it is I choose to do. If I choose to incorporate electric influences or not, if I choose to play things that are more accessible or whatever, it is always important for me to have that kind of freedom. I just try to create and do what I do.

AAJ: Both Payton's Place and [email protected] featured your quintet, which you have since disbanded. Did you feel that you had exhausted that particular group?

NP: Exactly, I felt like we were together for five years and after a certain time, people grow and develop and they move on. I felt that we, as you said, exhausted all the possibilities of that combination. We had a great run. We stayed together five years, which is very unusual these days. I was glad to be able to work with brilliant musicians who were committed to try and create music and were committed to the band. It is a rare thing to find. I was very blessed to be able to have that kind of situation.

AAJ: Will Sonic Trance offend the purist old guard?

NP: I don't really think so, Fred. I don't think I am going to offend any real listeners. I don't think I am going to offend anyone who really loves and appreciated the music that I did of old because to me, this is the next logical step. For instance, on [email protected], I was already embracing grooves, different textures, in terms of different keyboard instruments, same thing on Dear Louis, in terms of orchestration and arrangement and colors. This is where I was headed anyway. So for me, I think for the most part, most people have really embraced what we've done. To me, it is still the same. It is just an extension. It is still improvisation. I am still playing with jazz musicians of high caliber. It is highly creative and it is very people oriented. Perhaps what I am doing now has a possibility of reaching a broader range of people because I think it embraces more of the music that is out there, as opposed to being "jazz." For me, it was relinquishing control that is allowing for complete and total freedom of expression by the group as a whole. I think unlike some of the records that I have done in the past, although there was foreshadowing of that on my last couple of records, early I was very concerned with writing form, heavy into orchestration, through composed pieces in terms of having bass lines, specific parts written, through composed from beginning to end. This band is completely opposite. Most of the pieces were cells or musical fragments that allow for the band as a whole to improvise and shape the form, and the color, and the tempo, and the harmony of the piece completely, with little or no instruction. For the most part, it was a work in letting go of what I worked hard to think about in terms of harmony and rhythm and just letting musicians guide the music themselves. I was very happy with it. We had five days in the studio, which is longer than I have ever taken in the studio to make a record. Just that alone, just not having to worry about cramming five, six tunes in a day was a relief, as well as creating more of a casual type of vibe in the studio. We would play a bit of music and go in the control booth and listen, get some stuff to eat, watch the game on TV, talk, and go play some more. It was a different type of thing. Being it was five days, it became like a home, as opposed to being in the studio and that environment lends itself to a different type of playing. It is the closest I have come to capturing my group sound live. It doesn't feel like a studio album.


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