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Wadada Leo Smith: I'm A Dreamer

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Inspirations behind the pieces

AAJ: In terms of researching for this interview, I've found that there are several of the pieces where you've explained a bit about the inspiration which is either in other interviews or on the web, so I thought it might be interesting to ask you about some of the pieces which haven't been covered somewhere else. So I was thinking about the piece "America Parts 1, 2 and 3." Where does that come from?

WLS: That one comes from the 9/11 experience. I have two pieces in the program. One is directly about 9/11 and the other one, "America," is about that country and the transformation that occurred afterwards. People started drinking more. There were more altercations. People felt very much down. The school I teach in I saw it change drastically, where the kids would go to the bathroom and not flush the toilets or they would almost walk over you and not even speak to you. At my school which is a small private school, Cal Arts, they had racial incidents that occurred, all mysteriously, not confrontational. Like white kids destroying black kids art work and things like that. It had a very downward turn, and the middle piece of America, which is that really lyrical one, that's the one hoping for optimism. It represents, not in an inappropriate way but in a philosophical way, a different kind of turn, for optimism. And at the end of it that little solo phrase has a little Arabic turn in it that turns over and over. I put that in there distinctly to show that after this atrocity you've still got to accept these people who live in this country. Because a lot of the Muslims [in the USA] were attacked just randomly and they are still being done like that. So America is about that. But then there is another equation that is completely different, but represents the same thing. America, and I don't mean just the USA, I mean North, Central and South, that's the largest cultural sphere in the world, the most diverse. More diverse than Asia, Africa or Europe together. It has plant life, animal life, an abundance found nowhere else on the planet. So that piece also represents a dream of not the United States but America becoming a unified political, economic and cultural sphere. That's ultimately what it means.

AAJ: Fantastic to hear about such depth of ideas. Let me ask you about the others, then I have a reflection on that. "Rosa Parks"? What was the essential moment behind that piece?

WLS: Well the Montgomery Park bus boycott is the most successful boycott in the history of the world. What happened was that almost 100% participation. Everybody in that city just stopped riding the bus for 381 days. People who had African American women working in their house, they would come and pick them up, and they became their chauffeurs. Really. So many shoes were worn out during that 381 days, because people walked and walked and walked. And you would see cars stuffed with people, like you see in India, same thing. That's the historical connection. But the thing that triggered Rosa Parks, was that when she sat down on the bus and refused to give her seat up, people don't know that she had done that before. But this time they arrested her, and that sparked that fire. But before Martin Luther King came there, she was already fighting these things in all those stores and places. She was a very powerful activist. People often say, well if she hadn't been tired, maybe she would have got up. But that's not true. Because if you look at her history it shows that she had already begun to resist in the struggle. In fact she even wanted to meet force with force at some point. She was more radical than King and those guys.

AAJ: And how have you translated this into music?

WLS: The part where it comes through: now check this out, she was a beautiful lady. One that you'd look at in a photograph and you would fall in love, which is what I did. That theme of "Rosa Parks" is about her energy and activist stuff, but it also captures her beauty. That's what I went for, the way she looked in that photograph. So it's about her. Somebody has put together a video about her on You Tube and they've used my piece, and it's a fantastic video. The record company found it and they hadn't gotten permission. But when they started checking it out, they said this is fantastic and we are not going to do anything, just let it go.

AAJ: "September 11" if that's not too obvious a question?

WLS: It's about 9/11. The most crucial thing about it is that when it happened I was stunned like everybody else, and a lot of times it's difficult to talk about it. When you see those people jumping out of those windows, it busts you open. "September 11" is about that free fall of those people coming out of those windows. Because they selected not to die in a fire and when they came out, they didn't just fall out, they came out gracefully. It's almost like an aerial dance. So what I do is I make it ceremonial, that floating down, knowing that the moment you lift off, you only have a few seconds to live, but if you stay there you may have a few minutes to live. They chose the shortest journey. That to me is pretty courageous. And the other side of it is that all those thousands of people who were killed, and then the bombing of all those other countries, it's also about them as well. It's not just about America, it's a memorial for all of those people. Because in Iraq, they were not responsible for it at all. So all of those victims, in American and in the bombings anywhere, that's what "September 11" is about. And for us in performance it is very emotional.

AAJ: What about "Democracy"?

WLS: We played it last night [the first night of the European premier at Cafe Oto in London], just before "That Sunday Morning", that very fast chaotic piece where I had both the string quartet and the Golden Quartet, that was "Democracy." Democracy is a philosophical idea. It hasn't achieved any status or such anywhere on the planet, historically or now. The Americans talk about democracy and the Europeans, and they talk about a little bit of personal freedom and the ability to develop a little wealth to send their kids to school, but that's not what democracy is. Democracy is a fair exchange of creative ideas of all the people in that community, and that community should have the power to fix whatever is wrong in the people that represent them. But people don't have that power anywhere right now. So the reason "Democracy" is so chaotic in its execution is because nothing happens in these Congresses around the world except that the people there gain power and wealth. They become the richest people in our society all over the planet. And by their acquisition of wealth and power, they cannot possibly relate to the ordinary citizen. That's why they only relate to corporate power. They don't relate to us. So that chaos is about them and about the fact that that idea has to be combated by all kinds of differences, and if it survives it becomes an idea rather than just somebody's opinion. So that enaction of the chaotic stuff that's happening and all that fast stuff bouncing off each other, that's the formulation of the idea. And finally at the end when we all play together—[sings "bam bum beeng"]—there's four of them there—representing North, East, South and West. That represents that single idea that survived out of that chaotic experience to become law. And a law usually has a long history of development before it becomes effective. So we articulate the notion of that law being developed in these four different hemispheres. So "Democracy" is really talking about the world and its ability to be non-dysfunctional and rarely get a good idea through.

AAJ: "Buzzsaw"?

WLS: "Buzzsaw" is about this notion about a free press. There's a very famous book called Buzzsaw. It shows that powerful people, they control the press, not just because they have power and money. But if a book comes out that criticizes any part of their community and they don't like it, even though they don't own the company, they buy all the books from that company and store them in a warehouse and they buy the rights to it. And the book goes out of circulation. Let's say 5000 copies are out there, but not another single copy is coming out. And the news is fixed into an entertainment thing. Every station in America now they've got these little quizzy, quaint elements in the news, that they want you to feel good about, like a beautiful thing happened today in that five dogs and two elephants jumped a rope together or some shit. Then comes three sets of commercials, then they say we're coming up with this great something, then another commercial. Back and forth. That's not news. They are peddling products. But the baseline is that big publishers can block independent publishers by denying them access to distribution, so that this stuff doesn't become popular, and real beautiful information that our society needs worldwide, it doesn't get into the public. They feed us with these top ten books which are really just trivia about sex, money and power, which is really about them. So in "Buzzsaw" my real statement is that there is no free press. I don't mean that there is no independent press but that there is literally no free press. Some come close, but it's not there. For example we have a press in America, it's called Democracy Now. It's a very good show. But everyday now they fundraise. You can't watch it anymore. Because every time you see a little bit of news, they come with their fundraising, and it goes straight on through the day. They were independent, they were small, people were excited to watch. Now they got bigger. They have multiple programs going on, stuff they don't even need. So it means they've got more staff and they need more money, and they've got to fund raise forever. I used to give them money. I stopped. I stopped watching them. Yes they are independent, but they look for the same things as the other guys, they just have different methods.

AAJ: So this is a contextual piece which sets part of the framework that Civil Rights, human rights or whatever sits within?

WLS: Yes because what I want to do is create a debate about every aspect of our society. So my piece, "Dred Scott", that was about the first debate about race in America. People don't even know that. I mention Dred Scott in colleges or universities and nobody has ever heard of Dred Scott. And it's our history, I mean it's all of our histories, not just my history. They don't even know that he petitioned for his freedom as a slave, that he was one of the most famous human beings on the planet, as a slave, and was broke, with no freedom or nothing.

AAJ: Going back to "Buzzsaw," how does that translate into the musical context?

WLS: In "Buzzsaw" most of the construction is around the bass, and it's literally a translation of the buzzing into the bass. John [Lindberg] does it so well with the bow, so it's a literal translation that goes right into the music.

AAJ: The last piece I wanted to ask you about is "Little Rock Nine."

WLS: "Little Rock Nine" is only about that moment when Louis Armstrong
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called Dwight David Eisenhower and said "if you don't put troops out there to protect those kids going to that school, then I'll never do an ambassador tour for the United States again." Louis Armstrong was an activist who didn't go out and announce what he did. He changed a lot of things in America by just picking up the telephone, because he was powerful. And then the second context is about those kids when they walked through that mob to go into school. That's why things flow in there. And then there is that sharp figure—[sings]—that's that real anger that pops up, and the floating part is the calmness these kids show when they walk through that line. I met Terry Robinson who is one of the kids from that school. He came to the premiere in L.A. Many of the people who were part of the bus riders tradition came. I met young people, but I met old men and women, some black and some white, who were on those buses, and every one of them came crying. Because this piece celebrated them. It's a thorough celebration, not just a little bit, it's a complete celebration. And these people responded. When they found out about it they came. So "Little Rock Nine" is about that call Louis Armstrong made, and that horrible mob that these kids had to walk through every day. That's pretty incredible. I don't know who could stand that every day, but they did. They went through it and they got out of it. So if you really put it down in both instances—Louis Armstrong and those nine kids—that one is about courage.

AAJ: Coming back now to the reflection I mentioned earlier, you can obviously appreciate music just as music....

WLS: That's the beauty of art. Even if you don't see the connection, and you get in touch with the music, you are serving the same function as the person that does get the political, the social and the spiritual connection to it. It's the same experience, because ultimately music is just about vibration and stuff like that, and the only way that music represents any external object is when you associate it with it. And that association cannot be proven that it's not and it cannot be proven that it is. So it's either/or no matter how you look at it. So it's either about the 9/11 kids or not about that. But either way it makes the impact that's intended as a work of art.

AAJ: What I was wondering is that there are amazing depths and layers of information attached to the music, and for me it really enhances my appreciation. I think it is fantastic any way, but when I hear the stories and how that translates into music, it's like: "Wow!" It's mind blowing.

WLS: Please send people to my website. On there every event and every individual, there is a link to them. It takes hours to go through it and read. In fact you have to stop reading it, because one link leads to another, which leads to another, and another. But I generally recommend that a person checks that out at least once if they are going to hear Ten Freedom Summers on record or live performance. And do it over, let's say, a month. Go deeper than just the first link, maybe take the first two or three links. And if you've only got an hour that day, then next day or the next week, check out a little bit more, so you complete the whole journey. And so much information is provided. But like we are talking now, this is new information that is coming out, which people will be able to glean and put in their information tracks.


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