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Kenny Burrell: Every Note Swings

Kenny Burrell: Every Note Swings
By Published: February 6, 2012

It's important to help people understand how valuable and how important jazz is, and also to make them understand that this music is theirs, that it's a part of them. When more people learn to understand and appreciate it, it's going to be a win-win.

Kenny Burrell has appeared on so many essential jazz recordings that jazz history and his story seem irretrievably intertwined. Billie Holiday
Billie Holiday
Billie Holiday
1915 - 1959
vocalist
's valedictory rumination Lady Sings the Blues (Verve, 1956)? Jimmy Smith
Jimmy Smith
Jimmy Smith
1925 - 2005
organ, Hammond B3
's epochal funk throwdown Back at the Chicken Shack (Blue Note, 1960)? Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
Tony Bennett
b.1926
vocalist
's Carnegie Hall debut? Kenny Burrell played guitar for them all. Even Jimi Hendrix
Jimi Hendrix
Jimi Hendrix
1942 - 1970
guitar, electric
once famously remarked, "Kenny Burrell—that's the sound I'm looking for."

Born in 1931 Detroit, Burrell seemed almost destined to become a musician. While he grew up, his dad played ukulele and banjo, his mom sang in church, and his older brother played saxophone, all of which inspired Burrell to explore music through guitar. But, just as importantly, Burrell grew up nurtured by a nascent Detroit music scene that soon shone with a remarkable number of stars such as Donald Byrd
Donald Byrd
Donald Byrd
1932 - 2013
trumpet
, Yusef Lateef
Yusef Lateef
Yusef Lateef
1920 - 2013
reeds
, Milt Jackson
Milt Jackson
Milt Jackson
1923 - 1999
vibraphone
, Tommy Flanagan
Tommy Flanagan
Tommy Flanagan
1930 - 2001
piano
and many others. Playing together in and around Detroit, like iron sharpening iron, made their musicianship soulful and strong.

Dizzy Gillespie
Dizzy Gillespie
Dizzy Gillespie
1917 - 1993
trumpet
came to Detroit in 1950 and hired Burrell, not yet 20, for an extended engagement. Afterwards, Burrell declined Gillespie's invitation to hit the road with his band and chose to stay and complete his music coursework at Wayne State University, from which he graduated in 1955. After picking up for Herb Ellis
Herb Ellis
Herb Ellis
1921 - 2010
guitar
in Oscar Peterson
Oscar Peterson
Oscar Peterson
1925 - 2007
piano
's trio, Burrell ventured, like so many other jazz musicians, to New York, where he quickly started recording on sessions, as a sideman and as a leader, for Blue Note, Prestige, and other labels.

Introducing Kenny Burrell (Blue Note, 1956) was among the first. Kenny Burrell (Prestige, 1957) teamed him with fellow Detroiters Flanagan, Doug Watkins
Doug Watkins
Doug Watkins
1934 - 1962
bass
and Elvin Jones
Elvin Jones
Elvin Jones
1927 - 2004
drums
, plus Cecil Payne
Cecil Payne
Cecil Payne
1922 - 2007
sax, baritone
. The following year, Burrell co-led a Prestige date with John Coltrane
John Coltrane
John Coltrane
1926 - 1967
saxophone
(Kenny Burrell/John Coltrane), the only time Coltrane recorded with a guitarist. Burrell got Funky (Prestige, 1957) with Gene Ammons
Gene Ammons
Gene Ammons
1925 - 1974
sax, tenor
' All-Stars, and did some Screamin' (Original Jazz Classics, 1962) with Jack McDuff
Jack McDuff
Jack McDuff
1926 - 2001
organ, Hammond B3
.

Burrell served as Tony Bennett's guitarist for the singer's triumphant 1962 Carnegie Hall debut, then returned to Blue Note for Midnight Blue (1963), which included his trademark soulful groove "Chitlins Con Carne." Gil Evans
Gil Evans
Gil Evans
1912 - 1988
composer/conductor
arranged Guitar Forms (1965) during Creed Taylor's storied run at Verve Records; God Bless the Child (CBS Masterworks, 1971), originally on Taylor's CTI Records, honored Lady Day and introduced Burrell's personal tribute to Duke Ellington
Duke Ellington
Duke Ellington
1899 - 1974
piano
, "Be Yourself."

These are just representative highlights. Burrell has shown no sign of slowing down in the four decades since. He has led the UCLA Jazz Studies Program, featuring his own course on Ellington, since 1996. Tenderly (HighNote, 2011), is a captivating solo performance warmed by Burrell's own spoken reflections (and vocal on "Be Yourself"). Through tributes to such major influences and colleagues as Wes Montgomery
Wes Montgomery
Wes Montgomery
1925 - 1968
guitar
, Holiday, and Ellington, Tenderly writes Burrell's eloquent soliloquy on his own career.

In his introduction to "What a Wonderful World," the guitarist uncharacteristically yet graciously seems to consider his own legacy: "I've had a lot of great experiences in this journey of jazz. But as Duke Ellington says, there's only two kinds of music: Good, and the other kind. And I think I've been involved in some good music along the way. I've played with a lot of great artists. Some you might not classify as jazz, but they're great artists—and, like I said, it doesn't matter anyway, so long as they're great. One of them was Louis Armstrong
Louis Armstrong
Louis Armstrong
1901 - 1971
trumpet
. I had the pleasure of making this particular record with him."

All About Jazz: So many wonderful musicians, such as yourself, and singers have come from the Detroit area. Have you noticed any common threads or characteristics among them?

Kenny Burrell: I think a common thread would be honesty and trying to do things right—to pay allegiance to the tradition, to make the music as honest and as good as possible, and not take any shortcuts but do a thorough job of learning and playing. Maybe that coincides with the industrial idea of Detroit, I don't know. I know that the idea is to learn as much as you can and try not to cheat or take shortcuts, to gain a thorough musical knowledge, and to make every note of your music, your solos, and your melodies, really count.

AAJ: From the outside, Detroit seems like a simultaneously hard and yet soulful community. Might that be part of it?

KB: I can't speak from that outside perspective because I was inside it. I can only say that we worked hard. Speaking to the "soulful" aspect, that's just as important as your mind—your spirit. Your heart and your mind—the feeling is just as important as the thought process. That's the way that I look at it in terms of my own playing: There has to be a good balance between the heart and mind.

AAJ: Have you experienced any culture shock moving to the Los Angeles area from the US Midwest?

KB: I live in Los Angeles because I've been the Director of the Jazz Studies Program here at UCLA for more than a dozen years now. Since 1996, I've been permanent here, because that's when I started the jazz studies program. It's different, of course. But I had been coming out here since 1978 because I've been teaching part-time at UCLA since then, so I had been spending part of the year out here anyway.

AAJ: You recorded a series of wonderful albums for Blue Note Records, including Midnight Blue, which is often cited as the highlight of your Blue Note catalog. What are your recollections of Midnight Blue?



KB: I remember quite a bit about it because it was something that I had a vision about before I went into the studio. I was thinking about recording an album, and was writing songs and did not hear a piano involved. It came to me that it would be musically okay and seemed like it would be a nice thing to do. That was the first thing: I had these harmonies, which I wanted to play on the guitar, that I felt were sufficient. That was the sound I wanted to get for the backup harmony. That was one of the first things that made it different: It was just guitar, bass and drums, and saxophone. I was envisioning Latin percussion and had been working with Ray Barretto
Ray Barretto
Ray Barretto
1929 - 2006
congas
a lot, so he was obviously the first choice. I had also been working with Stanley Turrentine
Stanley Turrentine
Stanley Turrentine
1934 - 2000
sax, tenor
a lot, with Jimmy Smith and so on. That was another choice that I was hearing in my head about the sound I wanted to get for this album, so I asked Stanley to do it, and he was onboard.

And then the tunes that I was writing seemed like they all had to do, or were closely associated with, the blues. Some of them—two or three or maybe four of them—were blues, and they had a certain kind of a mood. That's been kind of my philosophy for a number of years: If that's where the mood's going, make it good—stay with it, and make it good. So that was the idea.

For some strange reason, I felt like including a tune by Don Redman
Don Redman
Don Redman
1900 - 1964
arranger
. Not because it was Don Redman but because I liked the song "Gee Baby, Ain't I Good to You?" which is kind of a bluesy song anyway. The point is that I just felt like including that for no apparent reason. We don't always know why we think of things when we're being creative. I don't know why this one piece would come to me in the midst of all these original pieces. I could have just made it all originals, but I went with my feeling, and I felt that it would fit.

The other thing about that record, which I don't know that I've told a lot of people, was one piece called "Soul Lament." I made that one up on the spot, and I had never done that before. But I was just kind of fooling around in between takes and this idea started to take form in my head. I was just sitting there and I asked Rudy [Van Gelder], "Turn the mike on. Let's see what I can come up with here." I was thinking of it more as a composition. Then he turned the mike on and I think it was just one take that I did it and then said, "Well, now, that's not too bad." So we decided to keep it. But that was just made up and I had never done that before.

Two more things about it that I really appreciated: a lot of the musicians who I respected, great jazz musicians, really liked the album. I was surprised because it's basically an album with a lot of blues on it. It's not complicated. I was surprised but they said that they liked it a lot. It made me feel really good because I wasn't trying to simplify anything. That was just the way I was feeling on that particular album.

Then, lo and behold, later on I found out that the label's owner, Alfred Lion, said that was his favorite album of all the albums he had ever done on Blue Note. Again, I was blown away. I was in shock, because this was an album with not a lot of complication to it but it had a lot of feeling, of course. His wife was the one who told me. A couple of people told me that. She asked him the question, "Why do you like it so much?" And he said, "Because every note swung." I couldn't receive a better compliment. In fact, it was one of the records that were buried with him. I'm sure he liked other albums, but for him to say that...I guess how we played the stuff really touched people and that made me very happy.

AAJ: You were the only guitarist with whom John Coltrane recorded. What do you recall about Kenny Burrell & John Coltrane?

KB: I moved to New York in '56, and lived in '57, '58, '59, into the '60s there. I was very involved in a various kinds of record dates, a lot that you probably don't even know about, pop records as well. But the jazz records—I did a lot of those, as you know.

There was something they called "blowing sessions" which were usually done on Prestige, Blue Note, and Savoy Records. Those three record companies did a lot of blowing sessions. A "blowing session" meant that the A&R person or the owner—in this case, it would be Bob Weinstock for Prestige—called up a group of young jazz musicians and said, "Okay, we're going to record in a couple of weeks. Everybody bring at least one song, two if you like." So we'd all bring a song or two, and we'd kind of run it down maybe once or twice, and then we'd record it. That's the way those blowing sessions went.

This was a blowing session with me and 'Trane and [Tommy] Flanagan, and I think Jimmy Cobb
Jimmy Cobb
Jimmy Cobb
b.1929
drums
and Paul Chambers
Paul Chambers
Paul Chambers
1935 - 1969
bass, acoustic
. That was what that was. The leader was not necessarily determined all the time in advance, but I think in this case it was determined that we would be co-leaders (not by us, because we were both young, but by the record company), which was fine.

Because I had met John Coltrane in '51 while we were both playing in Dizzy Gillespie's small group; my first real experience with the big time, when Dizzy came to Detroit and played a month at a club there, Club Juana, and Coltrane was in the band. Coltrane was in there, Percy Heath
Percy Heath
Percy Heath
1923 - 2005
bass, acoustic
, Milt Jackson, and the drummer's name was Kansas Fields
Kansas Fields
b.1915
. I made my first recordings within a few weeks of that gig, which were "Tin Tin Deo" and "Birk's Works." "Tin Tin Deo" at that time was one of the first Latin jazz pieces.

Anyway, that's when I met 'Trane. We remained friends. He was one of the most focused people I have ever met in my life, and just to be around him really made you maintain a seriousness about what you were doing. When I moved to New York, he and I and others were in kind of a group of players that often got called for these blowing sessions. I guess 'Trane and I decided in the middle of it just to do a duet, and we did "Why Was I Born?"

AAJ: Same question about another album with another great saxophonist, Bluesy Burrell (OJC, 1962), with Coleman Hawkins
Coleman Hawkins
Coleman Hawkins
1904 - 1969
sax, tenor
?

KB: Oh, yes. The grand master. Boy, he was something. Another great experience, with Coleman Hawkins. He was just a beautiful person and liked to play with younger musicians and I can only say that I've never been around another musician who was so flexible and adaptable. His ear, he could just hear everything. It only took once or twice for him to hear something and he grasped it right away. He was just a great musician and it was a thrill to be a part of that with him. It was my record, but I had also recorded with him on some date of his as well.

AAJ: And finally, your recollections of recording your album with Creed Taylor
Creed Taylor
Creed Taylor
b.1929
producer
, God Bless the Child, with such fine arrangements by Don Sebesky
Don Sebesky
b.1937
arranger
?

KB: I loved it. I had a really good relationship with Creed Taylor and I think it kind of culminated in the album we did with the Gil Evans Orchestra, Guitar Forms. That one became, for many reasons, a critical success and was nominated for a Grammy Award. But this session certainly had an overtone of my musical relationship with Billie Holiday because I had worked with her and made recordings with her and she had certainly influenced me as she did many other musicians, in the musical sense, even though she's a vocalist. It was a dedication to her spirit.

Also, one of the tunes on there was "Love in the Answer." That's the first time I recorded that. I expanded on that and did more with that piece later on. That was also a period when I was really trying to deal with answers to helping people get along, or, let me put it another way, with answers to why people couldn't get along with each other. The answer I came up with in that song was, "Love is the Answer." That also was a reflection of my influence from Duke Ellington and others that I admired.

AAJ: You released God Bless the Child in 1971 and your solo album Tenderly forty years later. Both include your tribute to Ellington, "Be Yourself." What do you think that song says about him, and about you?

KB: It's a song that I wrote in dedication to Duke Ellington and the reason it's dedicated to him is because that's one of the main lessons that Maestro Ellington left us: That your strongest suit, the most powerful thing that you have, is your own uniqueness. That's what will set you apart, which will give you a boost, and will set you on your way—your uniqueness. So why not go ahead and exploit that? Why not go ahead and push that? Because it's simply a matter of being yourself: Everybody's unique but many people don't have the courage or the spirit to go ahead and be themselves.

He was a perfect example of being yourself and showing that uniqueness that we all have. I've been highly influenced by that because I believe that's correct, that we all are different and we all have something special to give, but we have to be brave enough to bring it out. Of course, there are a lot of reasons why people are shy or bashful or afraid to be themselves. But the point is that people who succeed and the people who we admire are the ones who are being themselves and are showing their uniqueness.

AAJ: Speaking of "uniqueness," you have often recorded music by Thelonious Monk
Thelonious Monk
Thelonious Monk
1917 - 1982
piano
. What is it about Monk's music that you so enjoy playing?

KB: That's a perfect example of what I was just saying. Thelonious Monk was certainly different and most people admired and acknowledged that. Most of the time, you can hear right away that Thelonious Monk's music is something different. He chose to be himself and no one else. There's never been anyone like him, and there probably never will be. And the point is that there shouldn't be, because we are all different anyway. Not only was it different because it was him being himself—it was Monk, it was his music—and harmonically it was brilliant, melodically it was brilliant, and rhythmically it was brilliant. He is one of the great composers of music, especially for small jazz bands. Some of his songs are truly brilliant—Brilliant Corners (Riverside, 1956).

AAJ: What would you like to share about Tenderly?

KB: I'd like to invite people to listen to that, and I hope that they like it. We mentioned "Be Yourself"—it is also on the new CD, and it has a couple of different things about it, in that I put some words to it and I sang it. Also, the CD has a variety of songs including one classical piece. I used both acoustic and electric guitars throughout.

AAJ: Have you considered doing an entire album of "guitar with vocals" songs?

KB: Yes, I have thought about it and I'm sure that will come. It just has to happen when I get that feeling.

AAJ: In baseball, a pitcher who gets older can compensate for lost velocity with increased control. Does that happen with guitar players, too?

KB: Well, I don't know. I would just say that it could be, maybe. I don't know. I was never concerned about speed. My focus has been on playing good notes. That's where my focus has been—on whatever works. Whatever I think sounds good, that's what I try to play. Sometimes it's fast, sometimes it's slow, but that's kind of my approach. In baseball, speed is required. It's a big part of your arsenal. In music—yes, but not so much. Yes, it's important, but there's so much more involved in music than speed, you know?

AAJ: What new material can Kenny Burrell fans look forward to hearing soon?

KB: I'm not sure but I think the next record is going to be the soundtrack from the television show from a concert presented at Royce Hall at UCLA on November 12, which celebrated my 80th year. It was a pretty nice concert. I can't give you names right now because I'm waiting on some legal clearances, but hopefully that's going to come out sometime this year.

AAJ: In 2004, Down Beat named you "Jazz Educator of the Year." Why is education, in particular music education, so personally important to you?

KB: First of all, we are suffering overall in our society from what I believe is a lack of education about American music. Jazz is a large part of American music and I think it's important to me, not only as a jazz musician but as also as an educator, to help people understand how valuable and how important this music is, and also to make them understand that this music is theirs, that it's a part of them. It's all part of us here. When more people learn to understand and appreciate it, it's going to be a win-win: They will enjoy it more, which will give musicians more chances to play and grow, more opportunity to experiment and compose and arrange and perform, and, as a result, make better music. Education is really the key to making everything better in terms of the music of our country.

AAJ: What are the purpose and activities of the Friends of Jazz at UCLA, which you founded?

KB: The Friends of Jazz at UCLA is dedicated to paying homage to the people who were the important contributors to and developers of jazz, musicians and others. We're dedicated to making sure that we honor those who have passed on and those people who are actually still living who have made contributions to this wonderful art form. But we also raise funds to provide scholarships and financial support for our jazz students. I'd like to encourage other schools to do the same thing; in other words, to form whatever kind of organization they want to form as a support organization to raise scholarship money and other funds to help upcoming jazz students, so that they can develop and become the future. They will be the future—this will help to make their future brighter.

AAJ: What do you do when you're not working—because you always seem to be working?

KB: You're right—I'm a worker. I like to compose, I like to perform, and I practice. Lately, I've been writing more about music as well, because of my work as an educator. So I've been writing more about it. I'm still teaching my special course on Ellington at UCLA, which I've been doing for a number of years, called Ellingtonia. I'll probably keep doing the same thing that I've been doing. Maybe writing a little bit more: Composing more and writing a little bit more about music.

I'm also enjoying solo guitar work now, and I'm getting more and more requests for concerts as a soloist. I'm looking forward to that, and really enjoying it.


Selected Discography

Kenny Burrell, Tenderly (HighNote, 2011)

Kenny Burrell, Be Yourself: Live at Dizzy's Club Coca-Cola (HighNote, 2010)
Kenny Burrell, 75th Birthday Bash (Blue Note, 2007)
Kenny Burrell, Ellington is Forever Volume 2 (Fantasy, 1977)

Kenny Burrell, Ellington is Forever Volume 1 (Fantasy, 1975)

Kenny Burrell, God Bless the Child (Sony Masterworks, 1971)

Kenny Burrell, Guitar Forms (Verve, 1965)

Donald Byrd, A New Perspective (Blue Note, 1963)

Kenny Burrell, Midnight Blue (Blue Note, 1963)

Kenny Burrell, Bluesy Burrell (OJC, 1962)

Tony Bennett, At Carnegie Hall (Columbia, 1962)

Jimmy Smith, Back at the Chicken Shack (Blue Note, 1960)

Kenny Burrell, Kenny Burrell & John Coltrane (Prestige, 1958)

Billie Holiday, Lady Sings the Blues (Verve, 1956)

Photo Credits:

Pages 1, 3: Pamela Springsteen

Page 2: A. Lepley


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