All About Jazz: What was your music education background?
Lew Tabackin: I didn't come from a musical family. I grew up in South Philadelphia and the school system loaned instruments and provided a teacher. I wanted a clarinet, but I got a flute. I played it in the orchestra through junior high and high school, won all-state and, as a result, earned a scholarship to go to the Philadelphia Conservatory. I had started playing tenor at 15, but couldn't major in saxophone there. My mind wasn't on flute, I wanted to play jazz saxophone. Finally I got a very good teacher who was first flutist with the Philadelphia Orchestra; he showed me some interesting approaches in how to deal with the instrument.
After I got out of school, I listened mostly to classical flute players, because I was never attracted to "jazz" flute, other than Frank Wessand a few others. I started to form a tonal concept from classical players and tried to learn the flute as I learned saxophone, by listening to records and taking certain qualities of the people I liked.
After I got out of the Army in 1965, I moved to New York and started playing around town. [Bassist] Chuck Israelsled a band that played complex music, some of it Bill Evans-ish or like Stephane Wolpe [with whom Johnny Mandel studied]. Chuck knew I played flute, so he wrote for me. I took French Impressionist music and utilized that concept in improvisation. When Toshiko came into the picture, she wrote a lot of narrative music that told a story. She wrote stuff that dealt with Japanese concepts, so I listened to shakuhachi music and developed a quasi-Zen approach.
The tenor sax has such a great tradition in jazz but it is difficult to come up with a unique sound. The flute isn't really a primary jazz instrument so I had the freedom to conceive a personal approach that was totally mine. It's not easy to balance the two instruments because they are great enemies. I play tenor pretty physically, then on flute I have to sound like a real flutist. It also helps to create variety in a program. Today's audiences don't get the jokes or have as much of a listening background. I try to balance the program so I don't leave listeners in the dust.
AAJ: How did you meet Toshiko and how did your working relationship develop?
We married in 1969. By the early '70s it was a difficult time for white jazz musicians in New York City, in the middle of the Black Revolution, which I supported. We couldn't get enough gigs. When I played the Apollo Theatre with Duke Pearson, I wasn't allowed to solo. I had an offer from Doc Severinsento play in The Tonight Show band in LA and he said he could set me up with other musicians out there.
Shortly after we moved there, I realized it wasn't the right place for me. I played too hard, they liked bossa novas. It was like Irwin Corey's definition of a fugue: "The music continues, the people go out." I started working on my own stuff. I knew a lot of musicians and learned that the union rehearsal hall was available at a ridiculously low rate, so I suggested that Toshiko put together a band to play her music. I was the contractor and featured soloist.