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Joanne Brackeen: Phenomenal Capacity

By Published: January 20, 2010
One of the most heralded pianists of her era, JoAnne Brackeen came to New York in 1965 after cutting her chops jamming with the likes of Teddy Edwards
Teddy Edwards
Teddy Edwards
1924 - 2003
sax, tenor
, Harold Land
Harold Land
Harold Land
1928 - 2001
sax, tenor
, Charles Lloyd
Charles Lloyd
Charles Lloyd
b.1938
saxophone
and Dexter Gordon
Dexter Gordon
Dexter Gordon
1923 - 1990
sax, tenor
during the waning days of the Central Avenue scene in her native California. After a few dues-paying years here, she landed the piano chair with Art Blakey
Art Blakey
Art Blakey
1919 - 1990
drums
's Jazz Messengers, touring with the great drummer from 1969-72, following up the experience with tenures in the bands of Joe Henderson
Joe Henderson
Joe Henderson
1937 - 2001
sax, tenor
and Stan Getz
Stan Getz
Stan Getz
1927 - 1991
sax, tenor
. Lauded by Bill Evans
Bill Evans
Bill Evans
1929 - 1980
piano
as "a pianist-composer of phenomenal capacity," Brackeen came into her own as a leader with albums featuring her own compositions and sidemen including Michael Brecker
Michael Brecker
Michael Brecker
1949 - 2007
sax, tenor
, Cecil McBee
Cecil McBee
Cecil McBee
b.1935
bass, acoustic
, Billy Hart
Billy Hart
Billy Hart
b.1940
drums
, Eddie Gomez
Eddie Gomez
Eddie Gomez
b.1944
bass
and Jack DeJohnette
Jack DeJohnette
Jack DeJohnette
b.1942
drums
.



All About Jazz: Let's start with what you're doing. You have a couple of gigs coming up now. You'll be doing a duo at the Knickerbocker just before this interview comes out [January, 2010].

JoAnne Brackeen: That's right, with Cecil McBee.

AAJ: So that will hail back to the kind of gigs you used to do at Bradley's, where you often worked, as did most of the other great New York pianists?

JB: Yes, we'll do a lot more standards there, but that's a lot of fun. I enjoy that, too. As long as it's not, you know, too much.

AAJ: And you'll be at The Kitano this month.

JB: That will be with a trio—Ugonna Okegwo

[on bass] and Adam Cruz
Adam Cruz
Adam Cruz
b.1970
drums
[on drums]. We'll do a mix—more of my tunes than you would hear at Knickerbocker.

AAJ: You're a highly regarded composer. Are you writing all the time?

JB: Always, always. I've got seven new tunes [from 2009]. Starting out with "Year of the Ox." And we did "Malibu," "Crystal Palace," "Upper Pearls" and "Crock's Stilettos." We did those at Jazz Standard [last summer] and then there are two more that we didn't get to.

AAJ: But you haven't recorded an album of new compositions in a while then.

JB: No, and we have a lot of ideas, you know. I'm a professor up at Berklee and some of the people working there, I don't know if you're totally aware, but one of them is Greg Osby

Greg Osby
Greg Osby
b.1960
saxophone
, and we do fantastic duets. So there's a lot going on up there, too.

AAJ: How long have you been doing that?

JB: I've been doing that for quite a while. Not full time, but say full time for about eight years. It's great for me because I never did that in my career before at all. And I didn't even think that I would ever want to. But they asked me up to do a concert and they put a clinic right—I can't remember if it was right before or right after the concert—and the questions that I got asked at that clinic were amazing and so I was kind of intrigued and then Cecil McBee is a professor at the New England Conservatory up there and also Fred Hersch

Fred Hersch
Fred Hersch
b.1955
piano
had been at NEC. They talked me into doing it. So then Berklee offered me one of those—I forget what you call it when you go in and teach for four months...

AAJ: A residency?

JB: A residency, right, but you have to teach for three days a week. I just told them "Look, if you can give me one day I'll do it and you can get somebody else for the other two." And they did and I got a taste for it and it was just great. So I went ahead and little by little began to work with the college full time.

AAJ: It's a whole different world these days from the way you came up.

JB: Yeah, it is, but you know what, I get to teach all that I learned on my own. And that is not the kind of teachers that they have had in many of the institutions of learning.

AAJ: What are some of the lessons you try to impart to your students?

JB: Just what you hear when you hear me play. In any way that I can. You know, every student is different, learns differently, has different models and so on and so forth and I just get right in there and help them in a way that I imagine would have been a lot of fun for me if I had been born a few years later (laughs) and was learning from a teacher like that.

AAJ: Who were some of the pianists you heard early on who inspired you?

JB: Well, probably there was Bud Powell and then came along—there were a lot of people, but if I just mention the main ones you'll know what I like. McCoy Tyner came after that and then I moved to New York and I met Chick Corea

Chick Corea
Chick Corea
b.1941
piano
and I met Keith Jarrett
Keith Jarrett
Keith Jarrett
b.1945
piano
. I did concerts with Stan Getz, so I ran into these people all over and they're amazing people. And Herbie Hancock
Herbie Hancock
Herbie Hancock
b.1940
piano
.

AAJ: What about on the West Coast when you first started playing?

JB: There weren't that many... you know, I was more impressed, most impressed, with Ornette Coleman

Ornette Coleman
Ornette Coleman
b.1930
sax, alto
's group there. I used to go and visit at the house and watch the rehearsals. There is one pianist that I remember. I started working—it was on Central Avenue and there was a pianist there named Terry Trotter. I haven't seen him in years. Sometimes I turn on that program on TV [Everybody Loves Raymond] and you can just hear him and I see his name up there [as composer of the theme song], so I know he's still playing piano. But the people that I knew there that you know and that are still performing are like Charles Lloyd, Bobby Hutcherson
Bobby Hutcherson
Bobby Hutcherson
b.1941
vibraphone
—let me think if anybody else is still around—Teddy Edwards
Teddy Edwards
Teddy Edwards
1924 - 2003
sax, tenor
was one and Harold Land
Harold Land
Harold Land
1928 - 2001
sax, tenor
of course [both since passed away]. And Dexter Gordon.

AAJ: You were pretty much out there on your own as a female instrumentalist in those days.



JB: Yeah, there was nobody else playing. I don't know why. I had one friend, named Jane Getz, who played piano, but she kind of went into other areas.

AAJ: Did you find much resistance?

JB: No, nobody said anything. I didn't even know. I moved to New York, I worked. I worked with Joe Henderson, Stan Getz, Art Blakey and one day after that they called me for the first Women In Jazz concert and that was when I began to feel they had this thing that the women weren't getting enough...whatever. But it is true that if you are a woman and you play, you better play really, really well.

AAJ: So you are one of the first females to get out there and show that it wasn't that big a deal.

JB: I didn't try to do that. I had no idea that anything was going on, but if you look at—let's see—Mary Lou Williams

Mary Lou Williams
Mary Lou Williams
1910 - 1981
piano
did some, but not as much. Marian McPartland
Marian McPartland
Marian McPartland
1918 - 2013
piano
did some, but she always wanted to work with a lot of people like I did, as she mentioned to me once. And Dorothy Donegan
Dorothy Donegan
Dorothy Donegan
1924 - 1998
piano
was an excellent pianist, but I think at their time, that didn't happen. It just happened that at my time I was there.

AAJ: Do the female students at Berklee approach you differently than the male students?

JB: Not anymore. When I first taught up there, there was never a woman as strong as a guy in a class or in all of my students. Now there is absolutely no difference. The best student in a class is just as likely to be a woman as a guy. So it's pretty amazing.

AAJ: And how did you first become enamored with Brazilian music?

JB: I always was, from first hearing. I did go to Cuba and also Brazil with Stan Getz, so that was the first meeting, which I never forgot.

AAJ: What are some things that you haven't done that you think you might like to do.

JB: Well I did study at Berklee, for a couple of months, big band arranging. I'm half way through one of my compositions for big band and I think that that would be fun. At least a couple of my tunes would be great that way. Other people have arranged them and of course I've performed big band arrangements of my tunes, but always somebody else arranged them. But I really like the sound of an orchestra; I would like my music played orchestral. That would be great.


Selected Discography

Joanne Brackeen, Pink Elephant Magic (Arkadia Jazz, 1998)

Joanne Brackeen, Power Talk (Turnipseed Music, 1994)

Joanne Brackeen, Fi-Fi Goes to Heaven (Concord, 1986)

Joanne Brackeen, Ancient Dynasty (Tappan Zee-Columbia, 1980)

Joanne Brackeen, Mythical Magic (MPS-Pausa, 1978)

Joanne Brackeen, Snooze (Six Ate) (Choice-Candid, 1975)

Photo Credit

Ed Berger



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