Tony Grey: Stepping out of the Shadows
“ I think composition is the way to find yourself and your voice. Out of nothing, you have to create something, and I think you learn a lot about your instrument and how to play your instrument--soloing and all the rest of it--just by composing. ”
As one third of pianist HiromiUehara's electrifying trio, Grey has played all over the world to great critical acclaim, and has also found time to play and record with the likes of John McLaughlin, Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock, Zakir Hussain and Branford Marsalis.
Now, with his second solo album, Chasing Shadows (Abstract Logix, 2008), Tony Grey is beginning to step out of the shadows and forge an identity as a leader in his own right. This album combines wonderful musicianship with the melodies and harmonies of a real tunesmith. The release of an instructional book for students of bass guitar (something of a lifetime's project) as well as a DVD will, no doubt, reveal some of the thinking behind a technique and playing philosophy which places Grey at the forefront of bass players today.
All About Jazz: Do you have a lot of time to listen to other music for pleasure or are you very much immersed in making your own music?
Tony Grey: I listen to music when I'm looking for inspiration. I don't really listen to much music when I'm not searching for ideas. I don't have time to just sit and listen to music for the fun of it. I do when I'm driving, and that's about it, really. I don't want to be too into what's going on and influenced when I don't want to be influenced. So I'm careful what I listen to and when I listen to it. I just try and keep my mind open.
AAJ: Was there any particular music that inspired you in the making of Chasing Shadows?
TG: My first record was more the influences of all the different styles of music that I was listening to when I was growing up, or music I was into when I was studyingsome Indian music, some Middle Eastern stuff that I was listening to. It was a mesh of a lot of different things.
This time I wanted to be more melodic, more grounded compositionally, and have a particular sound throughout the whole record that was gearing towards a larger audience. I just wanted to reach out to as many people as I could and introduce them to what I do.
AAJ: It's certainly a very melodic album, beautifully so; melody is something which is obviously very important for you, isn't it?
TG: Yeah, I love melodies; one of my biggest influences is [composer/pianist] Burt Bacharach. I don't think I've ever sat down and listened to one of his records, but hearing his music just once on the radio or on TV or in a shopping mall or wherever, the melodies always stick in my head.
When I thought about it I was blown away because I don't own any of his records, but I know a lot of his melodies. I just wanted to create something that was memorable where it would be in people's heads even if they weren't listening to it or hadn't heard it for a while. Because that's what really touches methings that stay with me.
AAJ: Between your first album and this one, it has been about four years. Was that a long four years for you?
TG: The time goes really quickly. In a perfect world, I'd love to be able to do a record a year. A lot of artists who are signed to a big label and have a lot of support can put out a record every year and it's no problem for them. There's a huge gap in my music because I'm not really devoted to my own music; I don't have the time or the money to do it.
AAJ: You've been touring and recording so much as one third of Hiromi's trio that I wonder if this makes it difficult for you to pursue your own music more thoroughly?
TG: Yeah, it does. It makes it really hard because I have to practice her music when she writes it, and then we go on the road, and it's kind of too exhausting touring all the time to do any other kind of music. Then when we get time off, maybe she'll give us some other music to work on so I've been totally absorbed in it and haven't really had a chance to do anything else.
I am grateful and I love it, but now I'm more aware that I want to be more active and start to do my own gigsstart my own career and be a bit more serious about it. So I'm trying to write as much as possible on the road. I used to practice on the road, but now I don't practice at all, I just compose.
AAJ: Does this difficulty in making your own career explain the title of your CD, Chasing Shadows, or is there something else behind that?
TG: Throughout my life I've always had dreams and thought that if I get to do this or get the opportunity to play with that person, then I'll have made it or have arrived at where I always wanted to be. But every time I've achieved something I wanted to do, my goals have always changed. I think that's true of any artist or anybody in lifethe dreams are always bigger than the catch. It isn't always what it seems to be when you get there.
I thought being on the road and having a record deal would make you comfortable in your life, allow you to do whatever you wanted to do, but that was not what it was really like for me. I feel like you're always chasing these dreams but actually they don't really exist.
All I've ever wanted to do was just play music and be comfortable and not have to worry about the hunt for it, but it's impossible. I don't think it's a realistic dream. I think the goal is to enjoy your life and just be happy with what you've got, and I just found I was chasing shadows for many years.