Rob Brown: No More "Mr. Avant Garde"
AAJ: Another of your recent releases Sounds (Clean Feed, 2007), with Daniel Levin on cello and Satoshi Takeishi on percussion, was one I really enjoyed. I saw the title pieces premiered at the 2005 Vision Festival, and I thought then that it was one of the more successful marriages of music, dance and visual art that I had seen. The choreography echoed the visuals and the music was keeping track of the movement as well. Did you approach your writing for that performance in a different way to your normal way?
RB: No, basically if I'm writing for any collaboration I'm writing the way I normally write. For that performance the visual art was by my wife (artist Jo Wood Brown), so I'm very familiar with that. (For) the dance, I'll give them the music so they can listen to it, but normally the music and the dance are not a direct influence on each other. (For example), when they do a jump, we don't do a jump! So it's a certain type of feel or atmosphere. That doesn't mean that I don't pay attention to the dance at all, of course, because I do.
AAJ: I noticed that in the performance you appeared to be looking round to see where the dance had got to.
RB: Sometimes, of course, there might be cues where it's going to another section and the music is supposed to change, although I don't remember exactly how we did that piece. But of course the pieces have already been set: it is just how long they are before the transition to the next section. But even when I play with dancers, when I'm just improvising with them, I watch them. But usually I couldn't tell you after the performance what they did, because I'm concentrating on the music and the flow of the music and (it's) development. (The dancers) are ... a peripheral part of my concentration. I see them, but there is a certain filter, so I can't say when they did this or when they did that. I don't necessarily like to work that literally. I like it better when the dancers are doing their thing and the music is doing its thing and they are conscious of each other, rather than (them both) trying to do the same thing.
AAJ: When was that CD actually recorded? It gives the day and month, but doesn't say the year on the sleeve.
RB: I believe it was 2005.
RB: Well, that has been an ongoing project since about 2003. I have another recording by that group which is hopefully going to be picked up (by a label) pretty soon. It's a live recording that was actually done at the same studio where we recorded the first one, although the first one was strictly a studio recording. This is (studio) Firehouse 12 up in New Haven, and their performance area is the same room they use as a studio. So we played a performance and it was recorded.
AAJ: They get a really nice sound on the recordings there.
RB: Yeah. It is all super equipment. It's great stuff. So that should be coming out in 2009. Somebody's got it right now and hopefully they are going to say they'll do it and we can agree to the terms. But for that band, even though we don't work as much as I would like, I also had a Chamber Music America grant, and so the music that will be on the next CD was commissioned by (CMA). So that's a continuing project. But like a lot of my bands, they don't work as much as they should. There are a lot of factors involved in that: local venues that are available or other places that aren't local, that offer us money to play. Daniel Levin, who has been living up in New Haven is now actually moving to New York in about two weeks, so we will be continuing that project.
AAJ: Some people tell me that they virtually have to pay for the gig to put their music on now.
RB: Well actually the last one I did for the quartet, that I was talking about before, I went to that gig and I just brought a bunch of money to pay everybody. But there was a great turnout and everybody got paid well. Even I did! That was a great gig and it was pretty much a full house. That's the other thing: sometimes in New York it's a difficult situation because it's hard to get people together to rehearse, and then if you have a rehearsal, or a couple of rehearsals, and then a gig, obviously you have to pay people. It's just a matter of how much you can pay for the size of the group and when you can afford it, or if you make enough money playing music, or you have another job. There are times when I've had no money and it makes it hard to do what you want.
In the past there have been a couple of times when I've quit my parttime day job, hoping that I could just play music. Usually things might have been going good for a while and I was maybe looking at the future and it looks good, then there is a certain point when it is not going very well and I'll have some period when it's too long to go without money, and that stress of worrying about how to pay the bills and where I'm going to get money from is worse than having to do the part time job. It's not that I love the job, but I feel more secure doing that job and going in and getting paid, rather than staying at home and just working on music and being really worried about when I'm going to get paid again. So it's a kind of balance now. As this job is flexible for me, I just tell them that I'm going out of town and they say "Call us when you get back."