Ryan Keberle: Something Speaking
“ I'm starting to see that virtuosic presence in the trombone is starting to take shape, I would say give it another twenty years, and I think the state of the trombone will be drastically different than it is now. ”
He currently performs with his own group, but stays busy in New York as a member of Maria Schneider's Orchestra and performing with the likes of Slide Hampton, Joe Lovano and the Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra. He is currently a lecturer at City University's Hunter College.
His emergent talents bring together the form and dynamism of classical music and the passion and rhythmic intensity of jazz. At 26, he is among that rare breed of young musicians who seeks to explore new ideas while maintaining a strong connection with audiences. That spirit is fitting for a musician and educator devoted not only to honing his craft, but using his music and knowledge to communicate with people.
Keberle is full of energy. Always eager to discuss music, he is aware of but not consumed by tradition and reverence for jazz that can keep people and musicians at a distance. His youthful enthusiasm for new musical forms and new ways to approach them is infectious. He spoke to me from his kitchen in Brooklyn, NY.
All About Jazz: Your debut contains some good work. What stands out to me is the wholeness of tone between the brass players. the arrangements really bring that out. You have developed a unique vocabulary and style in writing for brass. What was going through your mind as you put the material together for these musicians?
Ryan Keberle: I think when you assemble a band of musicians of this caliber, especially in terms of the blend of brass instruments, you're already working with something great. Being a brass player, I sort of knew that, having been trained in classical music from a very early age. I didn't even start on the trombone, but on classical piano and violin, so that's really in my blood. As I took up the trombone, I started to learn just how brass instruments can interact with each other to produce these really warm sonorities that you're talking about. I always kept that in mind and I've always had a real fondness for brass instruments. Being a trombone player, I'm a little bit biased.
There are plenty of recordings with saxophone, and nothing against them, but there aren't as many with brass, especially with the French horn and the tuba, which I think is probably what makes my recording just a little bit more unique than other brass-inspired records. The tuba and the French horn are both extremely warm instruments. They both have this incredible overtone series, as does the trombone. when you put those together in perfect intonation, you're going to get this massive sound, regardless of the writing and voicings.
AAJ: Writing about this record was difficult, because I wanted to convey to the reader the warm sound, but I didn't want to leave the impression that it's just a bunch of whole notes. It's rhythmic and quirky stuff, and the group works through some tough charts.
RK:That's a very good point. You're right in that you have to take the description of the brass and what they're doing in context with the fact that it is still a jazz record. For me, what makes it jazz is that rhythmic energy, beyond anything else, right up there with improvisation. That rhythmic energy or the swing feel or whatever you want to call it is just as important. that's where I'm coming from one-hundred percent.
AAJ: There's certainly precedent for the type of horn ensemble you've put together, going back to Birth of the Cool-era Miles (Capitol, 1949). It reminds me of Mingus, Jack Walrath and Don Grolnick. Your music has that kind of witpeople don't often talk about the fact that musicians, their arrangements and their playing can show a sense of humor.
RK: Absolutely. Some of my favorite artists today are those who don't take their music too seriously. Of course, you want to take it seriously, but I want to convey to the listener that we are having a good time and that we do this because we love it. We are thoroughly enjoying ourselves and interacting with each other, and hopefully connecting and interacting with the audience. To me, the audience's perspective, whether they like it or dislike it, doesn't really matter so much as long as I'm getting a reaction. I'm hoping that they like it, but first and foremost, I'm hoping that they'll want to listen to it.
AAJ: Can it be said that part of what's hurting jazz is the over-reverence and seriousness with which we're supposed to treat the music?
RK: Yeah, it drives me crazy. That's one of my pet peeves. It's always been that way to a certain extent. I think it had to be that way in the past when jazz was trying to gain the recognition it deserved, but in this day and age, that's no longer an issue. Music is there to be enjoyed. There's really nothing more to it than that.