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Matt Wilson: Beyond Category

By Published: March 27, 2003

I'm really drawn to any kind of folk music; I mean, I think jazz is folk music basically. I think anything that is real simple and says something without a lot of hoopla gets me so I really consider Ornette [Coleman's] music to be folk music. —Matt Wilson

The world thrives on order and the type of categorization that is as much a part of everyday life as breathing. Single or married, democrat or republican, each one of us can be pigeonholed into general and then more specific categories. Music is certainly no different, as anyone can tell you if they've found themselves in a store struggling to locate a disc of percussive beats from the Ghanawan musicians of Africa or of the klezmer strains of Mickey Katz. The antithesis of this kind of activity, jazz drummer Matt Wilson- and one even hesitates to call him just a jazz drummer- has established himself not only through sheer talent, but through a natural tendency to see music as one continuous cloth of various shades and hues.

Now on tour in support of his new Palmetto release, Humidity, Wilson agreed to sit down for an extended chat with All About Jazz that touched on many different areas involving life and music.

All About Jazz: So, here's the most obvious question. How did you get inspired to take up the drums?

Matt Wilson: When I was a kid I saw Buddy Rich on TV and then I saw him play a handful of times. But it became something after awhile that I knew I wasn't going to be able to touch. I heard this record with him and Max Roach together and my ears were perked up when I heard Max and so I was really drawn more to that kind of playing. The melodic stuff that he was doing really sung to me.

AAJ: Did it seem like music was going to be it, or did you have other career ideas along the way?

MW: I was always interested in archeology and anthropology and I sort of feel that music allows you to do that because you get to travel and you get to check out people's cultures and that sort of thing. So I still feel that that's an interest of mine.

AAJ: I hear you had a little duo with your brother during your school years.

MW: Yeah, we would buy sheet music a lot and these books, like 'Hit Songs of 1973,' and play out of them and then provide the entertainment for PTA and 4-H meetings and that kind of thing. We would kind of improvise and I did that with a snare drum and a cheap tin cymbal; I didn't actually get a drum set until I was in junior high.

AAJ: Then what happened after you got a drum kit?

MW: I was able to start working kind of early, like I started to work some gigs when I was in junior high. You know, I played weddings and parties and stuff and that was pretty cool.

AAJ: Can you tell us about when things really started to click with you in terms of what you were learning from teachers and in college?

MW: Well, I got a national endowment grant in 1984 to study with Ed Soph and I came to the east coast and with him I really felt like I learned how to learn. You know, to learn to deal with the instrument. In other words, I didn't need somebody telling me what to do all the time; I realized I could figure out what I need to work on. He's a really great teacher in that way.

AAJ: Do you still practice now a lot?

MW: I just work on playing time basically. I mean, that to me is still what gets me the most excited when I hear stuff back; just making stuff feel real good.



AAJ: You have a tune on your new record, Humidity, called 'Thank You Billy Higgins.' Tell us about the inspiration for writing that piece.

MW: I heard Billy Higgins for the first time in 1984 and that was life changing for me. I mean I made a real connection with that kind of playing.

AAJ: So how does it feel to come all this way and play with the caliber of musicians who you work with on a regular basis?

MW: When you're a kid, you come to New York and you go to the [Village] Vanguard and you see music and you're thinking, 'Man, if I could play here some day.' And now I do and I'm very grateful that I get to do this kind of stuff and I don't take it for granted. I played on a television show with the great singer Paula West and Mulgrew Miller and it was just so exciting to look over and to see Mulgrew over there. I mean it was so great playing with someone I've always wanted to play with. Anytime I'd get another chance to play with him I'm there.

AAJ: How do you approach playing with such a diverse set of leaders like you do at any given time?

MW: I played at the National Cathedral with Eugene Friesen playing cello and poet Coleman Barks reading Rumi poetry and then I play with [singer/pianist] Dena DeRose and then my band does its thing and so I see it all as one big thing. You're basically all there to discover that same thing, that magic that's there when you play music together, whether it's with a Rumi poet or with a singer or whatever.

AAJ: Do you think that the fact that you play in so many different arenas might make it hard for listeners to really pin you down stylistically?

MW: People sometimes listen with their eyes. I mean, they'll see 'singer doing American songbook' or they'll see 'free jazz' and they'll immediately shut off their ears without actually experiencing it first to see if it sounds in them or not. But, I think people are becoming a little bit more honest listeners, I mean look at the Grammies and Norah Jones. People heard it and it sounded in them. People have a chance to check things out and maybe they can be drawn to stuff that they're really drawn to rather than drawn to what they feel they have to be drawn to. I have hopes for that.



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