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Ben Riley's Monk Legacy

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With Thelonious Monk's music, every time you play it, something else happens all the time for me, because thats how I learned how to play with him.
Ben RileyBen Riley is one of the most richly experienced drummers in jazz today. The Georgia-born drummer came up in Harlem during the second wave of bebop in the fifties, playing with Randy Weston and others. He was at Minton's with saxophonist Eddie "Lockjaw Davis and anchored the saxophonist's two-tenor quintet with Johnny Griffin, but his true claim to fame came during his years with iconoclast pianist Thelonious Monk. Later, Riley had important tenures with pianist Alice Coltrane, the New York Jazz Quartet, bassist Ron Carter and pianist Kenny Barron. He revived Monk's music with the cooperative group Sphere and now leads his own unique band, Ben Riley's Monk Legacy Septet.

All About Jazz: Do you recall the first time you heard Monk's music?

Ben Riley:The first record I heard was "Carolina Moon. I think [altoist] Gigi Gryce might have been on that, I don't remember off hand, but I know it was a waltz and there was [drummer] Max [Roach] and Max doubled on tympani on some of it. And I took this record at home and I was playing it and my mother came in the room and said "Who is that? So I said, "Thelonious Monk. So she said "I like that. [chuckling] And that was first time she had ever come into the room while I was playing music to ask who I was listening to. So she said, "Oh boy, I like that.'Carolina Moon.'

AAJ: And you liked it right away?

BR: Yeah, it fascinated me, actually because Max was one of my real first mentors. So that's why I really got it—because Max was on it and I hadn't really heard Thelonious until that record. Then I started to listen to Thelonious all the time after that record.

AAJ: So you liked Monk right away; you weren't one of those people who thought his music was weird?

BR: Yeah, there was just something about what he was doing. And his whole presentation just knocked me out.

AAJ: When did you first hear him in person?

BR: At the old Five Spot. I went down when [saxophonist John Coltrane] Trane was working; [drummer] Shadow Wilson and [bassist] Wilbur Ware. And I would go down at nine o'clock and stay there until they closed [laughs] listening to them play.

AAJ: Did you meet Thelonious at that time?

BR: No, not really, but I knew Shadow and I knew Wilbur, so I'd just sit there out of the way in the corner, listening.

AAJ: How did you eventually come to meet Thelonious?

BR: Well, it was very strange. I worked opposite him at the other Five Spot when they moved to 8th Street, St. Marks Place, and I worked there with [pianists] Bobby Timmons, Junior Mance and Walter Bishop, Junior. And so he came in every night and looked up on the bandstand and I would be playing the drums, but he wouldn't say nothing, he'd just walk back in the kitchen. So with the third group he came in and he looked up on the bandstand and he said, "Who the hell are you, the house drummer? [laughing] And that was the first words he had said to me in about six weeks that I worked opposite him.

AAJ: Who had been playing drums with Monk on the gig?

BR: Frankie Dunlop. So when he finished the engagement, the next day Monday morning, I get a call and they said "I'm Thelonious Monk's manager and we're down here at Columbia Records and Thelonious would like you to come down and do a record with him. And I said, "Yeah, right and hung up on him [laughs] because I thought it was Saint Jenkins, who was a drummer and a friend of mine and we used to kid each other all the time—I used to call him and say, "I'm representing Duke Ellington's band and we'd like you to come and audition. [laughs] So I thought it was Saint Jenkins, so I hung up.

Next, the phone rang again and he said "No, no, I'm Harry Colombe. Listen, we're down at the studio and we're waiting for you. Get in a cab, bring your drums and we'll have someone waiting for you outside to bring your drums in the studio. So I said okay and after I started listening to his voice I said, no this is not Saint Jenkins, this is serious stuff. [laughs] So I got dressed, jumped in a cab, took my drums and I got down there and sure enough they were waiting. They took my drums up; Thelonious was sitting in the control booth, he didn't even come out. So I'm setting up my drums and after I've got them all set up and I felt that I was comfortable, he comes out of the control booth and goes to the piano—he still hasn't said nothing to me— and starts playing.

[laughing] So, I said [to myself] "Oh, boy, say, what's happening here. So we start laying and [it's] good and he didn't say nothing and when we finished doing the date, I think it was the second day, he comes up to me while I'm packing up my drums and he says [imitating Monk's voice] , "You need any money? So I said, "No, I can wait for the check. He said, "Well I don't want nobody in my band being broke. I said, "Excuse me? He said, "I don't want nobody in my band being broke. I said, "I'm in your band? He said, "Yes, you have your passport? I said, "No. He said, "Well you better go get it because we're leaving Friday for Europe.

Those were the first wonderful words I heard from Thelonious Monk. [laughing] So, I ran immediately to the telephone to call my wife on her job and say "I'm in Thelonious Monk's band and I've got to go down and get a passport because I'm leaving Friday for Europe.


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