August 2001

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Lars Moller heads Scandinavian squad

Melbourne promoter Henk van Leeuwen, who specialises in Scandinavian jazz, has been busy. In August, September and October he is touring a brace of Scandinavians, headed by the Lars Moller Group and followed by The Scandinavian Summit trio.

Lars Moller is a 34-year-old Danish tenor player who has been a rising presence on the jazz scene since the mind-90s and leads a quality group consisting of Jacob Christoffersen on piano, Ole Theill on drums and tablas and Kaspar Vadsholt on bass.

Moller, possessed of a lush, lightly grained sound and with a penchant for long, sustained notes and a gently probing outlook, combines a Nordic melancholy with Indian influences. He’s played with and recorded with Niels-Henning Orsted Pedersen, John Abercrombie, Jimmy Cobb, John Scofield and formed his own quartet in 1994. He has six albums to his credit, with one of them, Kaleidoscope on the Naxos label and produced by Mike Nock, last year winning Denmark’s top award for a jazz album.

The dates for the Lars Moller Group are:
Aug 6, Devonport, Tasmania
Aug 7, Hobart, Tasmania
Aug 8, Danish Club, Melbourne
Aug 9, Bennetts Llane, Melbourne
Aug 10-11, Dubbo Jazz festival, NSW
Aug 15-16, 4MBS Performance Studio, Cooparoo, Brisbane
Aug 15-16, Side-On Café, Sydney (with guest Mike Nock)
Aug 17, Bridge Theatre, Coniston, Wollongong
For more details contact Henk van Leeuwen at Australian Northern Europe Liaison (ph 61 3 9510 3343).

Also on the way is the Scandinavian Summit, labelled “five virtuosos, four Nordic nations”. The group is Lars Jansson (piano) from Sweden, Tore Brunborg (tenor) from Norway, Severi Pyysalo (vibraphone) from Finland, and bassist Jesper Bodilsen and Morten Lund (drums) from Denmark.

They reach Australia on September 21, via South Korea and Singapore. Gigs in australia are in Brisbane, Mt Isa, Sydney, Hobart, Melbourne, Wollongong, Broome and the Barossa Festival.

In October, van Leeuwen is presenting the Danish Radio Jazz Orchestra (as I reported in my previous column), featuring trumpeter Palle Mikkelborg. This band toured Australia to high acclaim in 1997 and obviously made sufficient impact to warrant another excursion. They play Japan (Yokohama and tokyo) in early October, arriving in Australia for a gig at the prestigious Sydney Opera House concert Hall on October 11. After that it’s to Brisbane (Tivoli Theatre) on Oct 12, Toowoomba (Empire Theatre) on October 13, Melbourne’s Festival Hall on Oct 17, the Southern Cross Club in Canberra on Oct 18, the Illawarra Performing Arts Centre in Wollongong on Oct 19, the Barossa Music Festival (St Hallett Winery, south Australia) on Oct 21. After that, the DRJO head off to New Zealand for a gig each in Wellington and Auckland and the Tauranga Arts Festival, and then to Singapore and South Korea.

Barney McAll: One to Watch

AAJ: First, if you don’t mind, tell me some other biographical details (where did you study?)

Barney McAll: I was born in Melbourne Australia. I started playing piano at seven years old. My older brother John, was very influential on me playing, as he is a great pianist and composer.

I can remember playing games in my head and just playing piano for hours on end and many times I would play right into the night. I’d look up and realise it was dark and that I had been playing for hours and hours. My parents were friends with Jane and Len Barnard (the drummer) and so I think Lenny left a lot of jazz records at the family house. I can remember the first “jazz” piano I heard -- it was Pinetop Smith playing “Pinetop Boogie”. I loved this music, I can remember he is interviewed on the record and the interviewer says “Pinetop, you know there’s a lot of awful good piano players out there?”, and Pinetop says “Yeah, I know, I better start practicing RIGHT NOW!”

.... But it wasn’t until John, my older brother played me some Bud Powell that I was really hypnotized by music. When I first heard Bud I was shocked and I can still remember how I felt -- I had no idea what he was doing, it was so sour and so sweet, and that was it, I wanted to play piano.

I studied classical music up to AMEB Grade Six. I also studied at the Victorian College of the Arts in Melbourne. I joined Vince Jones in my first year and was touring a lot so I only barely passed, but Vince’s band was a great learning opportunity.

I also received a study grant from the Arts Council in 1991 and I studied with various private teachers in NYC. Teachers such as Barry Harris, Mulgrew Miller, Walter Bishop Junior, Larry Goldings, etc.

AAJ: What does this new album represent in terms of your career? (Tell us about the Transparent label too please). Tell us how you got to this point.

BMcA: The new album represents a shift in musical aesthetic from something less straight ahead Jazz to something hopefully more universally appreciable. I had observed myself reaching for certain CDs in my collection over the years and I wondered why I it was that I chose these particular CDs. What it was that drew me to them? (The Necks’ “Sex”, Miles Davis’ “Bitches Brew”, Mike Nock’s “Touch”, Herbie Hancock’s “Speak like a child”, Donny Hathaway “live”, Keith Jarrett’s “Survivor’s Suite”, to name a few). I thought, I’d really like to make a CD that I would reach for, that my friends and family might reach for, that has something in it one would like to hear again.

I was also trying to create a warm feeling about the music, to create a music that set up a feeling in the room, and where the feeling was more important than any technical display.

In the studio I explained to the musicians that I wanted a hypnotic and trance-like feel to the music. After it was finished Chuck Mitchell, who is the head of Transparent Music in NY, heard it and said he would put it out.

This has been a real blessing because Transparent have done an excellent job of promoting it and getting the music heard. It is also a relief because it’s so hard to get any music out unless you have a name and high profile or unless you are with a good label. With Transparent I have finally been given a break so that people can hear my music. There’s a good chance now that other doors may open because I have sounds on the airwaves and in stores. I am delighted.

AAJ: Tell us about your Havana experience, the Santeria thing and the Orishas (it’s quite a way from home for an Aussie isn’t it?). How did you become familiar enough with Afro-Cuban culture and its idioms?

BMcA: I was first introduced to Afro-Cuban music by the percussionists that were in the Groove Collective (the NY-based funky-jazz Latin-hip hop ensemble I have worked with on and off for about five years). On tour buses these guys would play a lot of folkloric Cuban music, Haitian music, Latin jazz etc and I was eventually captivated by it.

I decided to travel to Cuba after this and that was the most inspiring outing I think I have ever had. I remember a photographer saying to me once that if you want to take an incredible shot in Cuba , just load the camera close your eyes and shoot! and that will be it! . . . It really is that picturesque. It’s far out too because you really wouldn’t know you weren’t in 1960 in many parts of Havana and Cuba. It’s a trip.

Musically there is so much purity there. I mean you can’t really make any money there as a musician or as anything. So what that does is help to create the most pure and soulful music because it isn’t market driven or money oriented.

It’s just amazing how musical the Cubans are. They could be the greatest musicians in the world and against very bad odds. There was a lot of poverty. I went to some Santerian ceremonies there. That was a real blessing and honor. These ceremonies are like church services, healing rituals, and spiritual oases all in one. They are sources of great light in a sometimes dark environment.

It’s hard to describe what it was like there but the spirit was present, that’s for sure. Cuba really is the jewel of the Caribbean.

I took a little keyboard in as well and had some lessons there with several great pianists. Here in New York I also play in a Latin Jazz ensemble called “Mambo Macoco” and this has been pretty inspiring and educational too. Bobby Sanabria played drums with the band recently and that was incredible! (pick that name up off the floor would you, Shane).

AAJ: Explain your thinking behind “33” and “Obatala” please, as well as the Tanzanian folk thing.

BMcA: Well, what I did on these first two tunes was to apply my own harmony and melody to these certain ceremonial rhythms. “33” started out as an Elegua Rhythm which I slowed down and changed around a bit. I did the same thing with “Obatala”. I started with the original rhythms as a foundation and then just experimented with them.

It’s funny because when we went in to the studio, Eddie Bobe ,the percussionist on the CD ,who is very knowledgeable as far as Afro-Cuban music is concerned, told me we had to record the Elegua rhythm first. This is because Elegua is the spirit who “opens all doors”. Eddie then said that if the spirit of Elegua is unhappy with the situation then the tapes will get chewed up or some other catastrophe will occur!

As it turned out though, that track is my favorite and really just unfolded like a dream. I’m grateful.

With the Tanzanian Folk melody, I have had this cassette of African field recordings for years and the track I adapted has been on my mind for quiet a few years. It’s amazing, it really sounds like John Lee Hooker on the cassette. Anyway, I just transcribed it and worked with it mixed it up a little bit in the studio. It’s pretty much all a G minor pentatonic scale and based fairly closely with what’s on the tape. I loved the sound of it. I’ve been listening to a lot of African music lately. AAJ: In contrast, “Release The Day” sounds a bit like a Philly soul thing from the ‘70s or ‘80s. What’s going on there?

BMcA: Good question! I mean I have always loved soul music. Especially Donny Hathaway, Marvin Gaye , Stevie Wonder. It could be a sort of homage. I was thinking about Gary Bartz playing on it when I wrote it, I know that much. That was also the track that Joey Baron didn’t have to worry about at all. On some of the other tracks, Eddie would explain the rhythm to Joey before we could start. On “Release The Day” it was flicking a switch. A groove switch! Joey worked with Barry White at one stage you see.

AAJ: Your synthesizer work and some of the guitar work reminds me a little of Jack Johnson and Bitches Brew (and a little of Zawinul). Was that a conscious idea of yours?

BMcA: Yes and no. I was listening to “Bitches Brew” a lot before I recorded the CD and I just loved the way Miles and Teo Macero had captured such rawness. I was very aware of trying to capture the feeling you get when you play a tune for the first time. There is a sort of fresh unfolding that occurs the first time you play something and I wanted to get that on tape. There were no rehearsals in an attempt to capture some of that sparkle. . . . I may also have uttered the M word to Kurt as well.

AAJ: There is quite a breadth of music on the new CD though there is nevertheless a very coherent treatment of certain things, such as a high degree of composition and arrangement (compared with comparatively little improv), horns and guitar that would fit into the Stax soul method, an emphasis on the band sound overall and the compositions rather than soloists, and a wide ranging mixture of influences -- Africa and “left-field” synthesizer, for example. Do you agree?

BMcA: Yes. I like the idea of a unit and a band sound more so than some startling soloing. I like Al Dimeola but prefer Muddy Waters. I also like combining “tricknology” with raw and live playing and I have always tried to mix up all sorts of influences and elements with my music to keep things fresh and hopefully surprising.

At the same time, I am also trying to find my own voice amongst all this and to to achieve a continuity and some sense. Pretty crazy hey? I suppose the eclecticism may reflect my New York surroundings?

But I will always be searching I think. I’d like to be an “eternal beginner”, to quote Rilke. . . and hopefully just find a few spots of magic along the way.

AAJ: Do you see yourself as a synthetist of these various things?

BMcA: I suppose so. It’s funny, Billy Harper told me he never listens to music at home. He has no desire to hear it and feels it may corrupt his own sound. I, on the other hand, love to listen to all sorts of music and find great solace in it. Solace and inspiration . . . I suppose I’m trying to balance these external musical influences with my own intuitive music. The thing is though that African music or Indian music or great players like Bird or Coltrane for example can engulf you with their potency and power and you may never find your own, if humble, music.

I can’t forget the dream I had where I went to a composition class that Mike Nock was taking. I was wearing headphones, meaning I was listening to music on the way to his class. Anyway , in the dream Mike took them straight off and kicked them sky high!

I took that to mean “stop listening to external music and start focusing on more individual and internal music”.

AAJ: On The Pulse segment you said the term “jazz” was outmoded. What you mean? How does this relate to what you’re doing?

BMcA: I suppose I would just prefer not to be considered a jazz musician so much as an improvising musician or even just simply a musician. But you can find my CD filed under Jazz!

In terms of how it relates to what I’m doing, I of course come out of the Jazz tradition but I am seeking to make music, as opposed to Jazz.

AAJ: Tell us about working with Gary Bartz.

BMcA: I believe Gary is one of the greatest story teller musicians on Earth. I think the most important thing I’ve learnt working with “Gazza” is that you have to tell a story when you play, when you improvise. He is very connected to the sounds and lines he plays. He not only hears them but he feels them.

He is playing lines for no other reason but to express the moment, to express what he is feeling right then and there. In the nearly three years that I have been working with him he has never told me to play any specific thing, never told me to lay out, or to play any different to what I’m playing. He once told me to relax when I first joined the band and that’s it. And I really appreciate and respect that. It means he allows the musicians he works with to do their thing and he lets the music unfold as it is -- instead of egotistically trying to control it.

We were driving back to New York from a gig in Washington DC once and he was talking to me about how a lot of players might try to upstage each other or get the most applause etc, then he said “it’s not about that, it’s not about the ego, it’s about all this”, and he gestured to the landscape we were driving through. I like that. It speaks to me of the importance of life and how it should feed music and how it IS music.

Gary Bartz is also a link to the tradition of this music. He worked with Miles Davis, Art Blakey, Max Roach, McCoy Tyner etc. I just feel blessed to have the chance to work with him and to learn from him --mostly without him saying a word.

He was a stand up comic at one stage as well so it’s also always a great laugh.

AAJ: Tell us about working and living in New York.

BMcA: Well . . .have you ever heard what Jack Kerouac said about New York? He said something about it being like “the rainbow in the oil slick” . . .

I like that analogy. It’s a hideous rat race here in NY. But I love it. I love the music most of all and I love working with the superb musicians here. I have learnt so much here. The good stuff here, musically speaking, really does rub off on you. When you get a chance to perform with a really great musician or even just hearing one, you can feel the that something is going on. That you’re receiving some lesson. It’s as if certain players have such a history that every time they play its a “happening” and there is no alternative.

It’s hard yakka dealing with this monstrosity of a city but I am enjoying it at the same time. I have paid plenty of dues here and things are going well for me now.

Earlier this year I played for the second time with Gary Bartz at the Village Vanguard. It was really amazing. That place is like a shrine or something. You can feel the residue of all the great music that has been made there and to play on that stage is very special.

There is a poem on the wall in the band room which says:

FOR MAX GORDON AND OTHERS SIMILARLY POSSESSED

Deep in the Vanguard Darkness
lovers enraptured by spirits
set time on its ear
“vibes” they say
is that ghosts

AAJ: What happens after this?

BMcA: Well I have just finally found a quiet apartment in Brooklyn where I will be able to play piano into the night so I’m really looking forward to writing a lot and putting together a new CD worth of music. I’m part of trombone player Josh Roseman’s new recording and that should be most interesting, to say the least. Kurt Rosenwinkel will be on it as well as the drummer Rodney Holmes and saxophonist Peter Apfelbaum.

I’m also recording a trio record soon with five-string cellist Rufus Cappadocia and tabla player Badal Roy.

And lastly, I’m happy to say, I’m going to playing in Brasil with the great Dewey Redman this October. I am really excited about this. Matt Wilson will be playing drums too and I love his playing. Dewey just called me out of the blue.

That’s really like the pot of gold at the END of the rainbow.

Website: www.barneymcall.com

Around the traps

Byron Mapp Gallery, bel mondo and Hennessy COGNAC are sponsoring the Winter Grooves jazz and funk program in the antibar at Sydney’s bel mondo restaurant every Friday from 6.00pm-7.30 pm throughout August. As well, a selection of Herman Leonard’s acclaimed jazz portraits will be on display in the antibar each Friday night. Entry to bel mondo on Level 3 of the Argyle Stores building in The Rocks is via the Argyle Stairs and Gloucester Walk. For more details or to make reservations for the main dining room contact bel mondo, 02 9241 3700. For details on Herman Leonard's photographs contact Byron Mapp Gallery, 02 9252 9800.

The Australian Jazz Agency has launched its website: See www.australianjazzagency.com.au/About_the_AJA.html

The agency began in 1991 and since then has supplied artists for a solid roster of jazz festivals and tours, as well as expanding in to the domain of pop and cabaret with acts like Christine Anu and Rhonda Burchmore.

Austage 2001: Australian jazz artists’ European tour. July 2001

The Austage 2001 tour has been a showcase of three outstanding Australian jazz bands at the prestigious Umbria Jazz Festival in Italy , the Pori Jazz Festival in Finland, as well as performances in Copenhagen and Rome. All bands, quite diverse in their styles, feature mainly original material. Austage 2001 tour comprises:

IshIsh (from Melbourne), a quintet featuring Julien Wilson (saxophone), Jordan Murray (trombone), Phil Slater (trumpet), Mark Shepherd (bass) and band leader Ronny Ferella (drums), play music described by international critics as "inspirational and fun". Members of IshIsh have performed with George Russell.

Bernie McGann Trio (Sydney) features the legendary alto saxophonist with Johnathon Zwartz, bass, and Nick McBride, drums. McGann is a veteran of the Australian scene and has performed with Nat Adderley, Sonny Stitt and Dewey Redman.

Tim Stevens Trio (with Mark Lau, bass, and Simon Barker, drums). A highly skilled young trio playing unique and creative music, now based in Sydney.

Before he left Ronny Ferella said: “We’re really excited about the opportunity to perform to thousands of Europeans. We have so much musical talent in Australia and it’s great to have an international platform to expose audiences to Aussie jazz.”

The tour is supported by the Australia Council, VicArts. The website, http://www.austage.org/home.html , promises tour updates, so have a look. Most of the Italian gigs were scheduled for mid-July. For more information contact Vicki Horne on 0419 563 768 or email austage2001@hotmail.com.

Adam Simmons Heads for the Knit

While we’re talking about overseas forays, saxophonist Adam Simmons has lined himself up a gig at the Knitting Factory in New York. Adam is just back from Noumea, New Caledonia, where he played with Anthony Baker and Michel Benebig.

“The next big thing is going to New York,” says Adam. “I’m doing my solo show at the knitting Factory on 25th July, 7pm at the KnitActive Sound Stage (entry $US7). The location is 74 Leonard Street, New York, ph (212) 219-3006 and you can check out the calender if you like at http://www.knittingfactory.com/calendar/ka_calendar_frames.cfm

“I also have an in-store appearance at Downtown Music Gallery at 7pm on 12th August, located at 211 E. 5th St. New York, ph (212) 473-0043. Come and browse through far too many good CDs (they’re only $10-15 in the States!)

“In between these I will be at Music/Omi near Hudson, New York - 2 hours north of New York City. I hang out here for two weeks which culminates in a concert on August 11th. Check out www.artomi.org for more info and location details.”

Back home in late August, Adam will play at Montsalvat with the Ted Vining Trio on August 26th and maybe a New Blood gig before band member Ben goes to Europe with Archeopteryx. (To contact: Vicki Simmons celsiusdesign@bigpond.com )

Frock Play ambassadors

Also heading overseas are the innovative Melbourne unit, Frock (featured on this column last month). Simon Starr says the band is still waiting to confirm some of the northern Italy dates. It’s a pretty hectic schedule. The band will also record and launch a new CD in Germany.

14th September: arrive in Munich, pick up cars and drive to Bayreuth.
15th. September: drive to berlin to stay overnight.
16th. September: get picked up in the morning and driven to Lodz in Poland for first polish performance at the Lodz Jazz Club.
17th. Sept: Drive to Szczecin for second performance that evening at the Szczecin Jazz Club.
18th. Sept: Drive to Stargar , at the Stargard Jazz Club.
19th. Sept: Drive to Poznan, evening at the Poznan Jazz Club.
20th. Sept: Drive to Warsaw, Warsaw Jazz Club.
21st. Sept: Drive to Berlin, Jazz Meeting Berlin that evening.
22nd. Sept: Fly (at last!) to Zurich for performance at Australian Mission in Geneva for Centenary of Federation ball.
23rd. Sept: Travel from Geneva to northern Italy.
24th 25th and 26th Sept: performances in Italy with Stefano Bollani (tbc)
27th sept: Travel from Italy to Bayreuth.
28th. Sept: performance in Bayreuth (Kaiserhauer).
29th. September: performance in Wurzburg, Germany, at Omnibus jazz club.
30th. Sept. - 2nd. October: record new CD at Backyard Studios for Music 241 in Bayreuth.
3rd. October: Travel to the Hague for performance at Australian Embassy.
4th October : Performance at Australian Embassy, the Hague.
5th. October: Performance in Jena, Germany at Rosenkeller jazz club.
6th. October: Performance in Weiden “jazz zirkel”.
7th. October: Performance in Zentrum/Bayreuth, Germany (official CD launch)
8th October: Return to Australia.

And finally, Kevin Hunt is heading off to LA later in the year on an Australian Elizabethan Theatre Trust scholarship after touring Saudi Arabia and Mexico with Don Burrows in September/October.

The pianist and composer will pack his latest musical project Ceremony a Celebration of Life in his suitcase and move to the US for three months. Kevin is hoping to meet with producer and bass player Steve Rodby in Chicago. Rodby has worked with Pat Metheny, Oregon, and Lyle Mays, and has also performed with Joe Henderson, Milt Jackson, and Monty Alexander. “I’m keen to learn as much as I can from a producer whose work I admire,” Kevin says. Ceremony a Celebration Life was recorded for ABC Classic FM’s Jazztrack and was aired on Easter Sunday.

“ ‘Ceremony’ recording was my first experience as a producer and it was a steep learning curve working with a large group of people, complex instrumentation and learning more about studio techniques,” he says.

Hunt says the concept for Ceremony a Celebration of Life was sparked by Duke Ellington’s Sacred Concerts. Hunt developed the theme as a reflection on six characteristics of humanity creation, environment, community, youth, conquest, and memorial.

‘Ceremony’ was first performed in Canberra’s St Andrews Church for the gospel music service at the Australian Jazz Festival 2000. The recording followed. “The next step is to streamline what has been done so far in the longer-term it may mean re-writing, re-arranging or re-recording,” says Kevin.

“Having the opportunity to hear opinions and discuss options with experts such as Steve Rodby will definitely add to the calibre of the production values of 'Ceremony',” he says.

Travelling overseas and meeting with experts is now possible for Kevin thanks to the award of the Don Burrows Overseas Music Scholarship valued at A$10,000 that he received from the Australian Elizabethan Theatre Trust’s Overseas Scholarships Fund .

Hunt fondly recalls his time in workshops in New York and Vienna, with jazz pianists Barry Harris and Joe Zawinul respectively. “These are times in my career when I've felt at the crossroads about the next step to take. Attending these workshops reignited my passion and energy for my music,” says Kevin. “It’s made all the difference to where I am today.”

Kevin wanted to make the most of his AETT scholarship opportunity and, as part of his research, he was inspired by ex-US, now Sydney-based musician Don Rader to consider exploring the musical side of California. “LA is home to some of the musicians I admire including keyboardist and composer Lyle Mays who works with Pat Metheny and pianist, clarinettist, composer and arranger Tom Ranier,” Kevin says.

During his time in LA, Kevin is also keen to have some sessions with “eclectic synthesist” Scott Kinsey. Kevin met Kinsey in Australia when the trio Tree, for which Kevin plays keyboards and synthesiser, supported Kinsey on an Australian tour.

“Scott is a master of creating and mixing electronic sounds making each sound like an instrument. That’s an area that I would like to explore in greater detail for my own electronic music,” Kevin says. “I’m looking to use this chance in the States to soak up the musical atmosphere and knowledge in everything I do,” he adds.

The Pulse Goes to Air

Given the dearth of jazz on Australian TV, The Pulse – a series commissioned and aired by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, the public free-to-air TV and radio broadcaster (see my previous column) – is proving as good as I’d hoped. It’s a well-chosen set of performers, just two artists or bands per week, which is accurately representative – given the constraints of a limited run – of the local scene.

The decision to shoot in black and white might have threatened to repeat all the jazz cliches but it really works well, as does the stylish camera angles etc. Best of all though, the sound has been nailed superbly – I’ve been listening through top-end Sennheiser headphones and it’s a real treat – expansive, well-balanced, satisfying, detailed sound. My compliments to the sound engineer.

First out of the gate was Barney McAll’s “33” from his wonderful new album. The band was a cracker, with starring roles for altoist Andrew Robson – who stuck close to the alto solo from the CD – and guitarist James Muller, who got nowhere near the crisp, ringing harmonics of Kurt Rosenwinckel’s playing on the CD and most likely wasn’t trying too – he played great and continues to reveal new sides of his talent it seems every time he gets on the stand.

A double album CD has been released to coincide with series. Presumably anyone interested can get it in the stores or by visiting the ABC website to order it.

Shane Nichols is a senior journalist at the Australian Financial Review in Sydney, Australia. Among other things he reviews jazz CDs each week for the paper's Weekend Edition where he is a section deputy editor. As well as being a journalist, in his past Nichols played saxophone in rock bands and has studied improvisation in Sydney and at Alan De Silva's school, IACP, in Paris. He has written about rock and jazz extensively for Australian newspapers and magazines, including Rolling Stone.